30-05-2020, 08:57 PM
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Re: We Are Being Taken For Right Mugs!
Originally Posted by Donkeyman
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Swimmies a lovely bloke, but he does talk crap occasionally JBR!Once we are out we CAN make it so that we can prevent the
froggies from encouraging illegal migration and people
smuggling, which is an offence in international law by the way!!
Apart from anything else, even though the EU dictators feel that they are sufficiently powerful not to be concerned about worldwide nations' opinions of them, I'm sure they'd soon back down, just like Frogs always do.
30-05-2020, 08:58 PM
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Re: We Are Being Taken For Right Mugs!
Originally Posted by Bread
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We can't send immigrants back because we are bound to the withdrawal agreement. When that no longer applies we can do whatever we like.
Of course, as suggested by the thread title, we are being taken for right mugs and that's because we are right mugs, or at least our soft politicians are.
I think that's probably because, being British, they like to be thought of as 'playing the white man'.
30-05-2020, 09:00 PM
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Re: We Are Being Taken For Right Mugs!
Originally Posted by JBR
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All well and good, but what do we do if the EU refuses to take them back?
They have to they are the ones in breach of the Dublin agreement
30-05-2020, 10:14 PM
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Re: We Are Being Taken For Right Mugs!
Originally Posted by Bread
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We can't send immigrants back because we are bound to the withdrawal agreement. When that no longer applies we can do whatever we like.
agreement between two or three nations??
Human rights etc are supposed to be universal and all local agreements should take cognisance of them when being
formulated surely??
All countries are supposed to ban people smuggling and slavery
so surely France can be prosecuted for contravening them??
Or is it all just a pipe dream
Donkeyman! 🤔🤔🤔
30-05-2020, 10:26 PM
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Re: We Are Being Taken For Right Mugs!
HiAs I have repeatedly posted.
We can send them back now.
We have been able to do so for years.
We have chosen not to.
That is entirely our problem.
The problem gets worse , not better, at the end of Transition.
On !st January, as things stand, we will not be able to send them back to France or Belgium etc.
The EU Agreement ceases and we are subject to International Law.
That means they are ours.
Yes, the French are taking us for Idiots, but that is our fault, not theirs.
We used to send them back, then Theresa May, as Home Secretary , stopped it.
Staff have been slashed, joint working abolished and then told to release the Illegals we found on Bail.
A complete waste of time.
I seriously do not like the French, but we got no backing from our Politicians.
The French got the full backing of their Politicians.
That is the difference.
30-05-2020, 11:27 PM
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Re: We Are Being Taken For Right Mugs!
Originally Posted by Donkeyman
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What takes precedence Bread, international law, or a localagreement between two or three nations??
Human rights etc are supposed to be universal and all local agreements should take cognisance of them when being
formulated surely??
All countries are supposed to ban people smuggling and slavery
so surely France can be prosecuted for contravening them??
Or is it all just a pipe dream
Donkeyman! 🤔🤔🤔
There are clear guidelines from the UN about refugees under the Dublin Agreement but for migrant workers (which these are) that is up to the EU single market rules on rights while we are bound by the WA. After Dec 31 UK migration laws take precedent
31-05-2020, 11:34 AM
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Re: We Are Being Taken For Right Mugs!
Originally Posted by Bread
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There are clear guidelines from the UN about refugees under the Dublin Agreement but for migrant workers (which these are) that is up to the EU single market rules on rights while we are bound by the WA. After Dec 31 UK migration laws take precedent
To be a worker you must have a job?? or proof of a job?
Swimmy is quite right, our problems come from our government
whoever they may be?
Donkeyman! 👎👎
31-05-2020, 12:07 PM
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Re: We Are Being Taken For Right Mugs!
Originally Posted by Donkeyman
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Migrant workers without jobs Bread???To be a worker you must have a job?? or proof of a job?
Swimmy is quite right, our problems come from our government
whoever they may be?
Donkeyman! 👎👎
They come from the EU single market rules and the ECJ
These people are not refugees
31-05-2020, 01:05 PM
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Re: We Are Being Taken For Right Mugs!
Originally Posted by Donkeyman
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Thats why we must get brexit done(to coin a phrase) and thenreform our tardy civil service juddy
To remove these blockages that are frustrating any efforts we make
to end this migrant scandal??
Donkeyman! 😬😬
As for immigration, you are in the adaptation period, the name was altered in transition, because adaptation sound like change. A word that horrifies brits.
During this phase of "transition" you should be testing your novel approach, see how that works out. Instead of that the brits do? Exactly, nothing!
31-05-2020, 02:10 PM
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Re: We Are Being Taken For Right Mugs!
Originally Posted by Bread
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There are clear guidelines from the UN about refugees under the Dublin Agreement but for migrant workers (which these are) that is up to the EU single market rules on rights while we are bound by the WA. After Dec 31 UK migration laws take precedent
After the transition period ends, all people entering the EU are free to travel through if they express a desire to ask for asylum in the UK. Moreover, under the UN rules you quote, the EU is obliged to assist them in reaching the UK.
In the UK you process them, real refugees are granted asylum, those that are not will have to be transported to their country of origin. Provided that country is prepared to accept them. Otherwise they are yours to keep.
Remember that poster with a long row of immigrants, with farage at the front of it? Well, that is exactly what farage has achieved for you by brexit. That poster is so very fitting!
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