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15-03-2019, 07:53 AM
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I feel sorry for her....doesn't mean I don't think she should stand down though...she really should in favour of a real Brexiteer.
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15-03-2019, 08:07 AM
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It is an absolute disaster, and she is still continuing down the same line.

She cannot be forced out as PM, she won the vote of confidence so is untouchable for months , and she is so arrogant that she will not resign.
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The entire political class have taken leave of their senses. Both during the referendum campaign and since the result was announced, their behaviour has bordered on the clinically insane.
Of course, you should never underestimate their uncanny ability to make everything about them. But the unedifying orgy of self-indulgence we have seen over the past week has plumbed new depths of cynicism and opportunism . . .
No, not this past week. The paragraphs above are taken from my column on July 1, 2016, a few days after the result was declared. I warned you back then that the fix was already in, that embittered Remainers would do everything in their power to stop Brexit, either by holding a second referendum or forcing a General Election.
Getting on for three years later, and a few days before we were due to escape, that’s exactly where we are right now. As the Tory leadership candidates jockeyed for position to succeed Call Me Dave, I also said that Theresa May, a Remainer who spent the referendum campaign hiding behind the sofa, shouldn’t be allowed within a mile of No 10.
Then again, what do I know?
It gives me no pleasure to have been proved horribly right. By now, I had hoped we would be free of the shackles of the EU, forging a brilliant future as a freebooting, independent nation once more.
Fat chance of that happening any time soon. If ever.
Believe me, this is a column I didn’t want to have to write. Like you, I’m thoroughly sick of the whole Brexit circus, which is what the political class have been banking on all along.
The heart sinks whenever someone asks: ‘What’s going to happen over Brexit, Rich?’
I can only reply: ‘Ask me one on sport.’
As I wrote some time ago, I’ve run out of invective. The bile mine is exhausted. Fury has given way to resignation and despair. We can only watch this slow-motion car crash unfold with impotent frustration.
I’d always believed there would probably be some kind of 11th-hour form of words stitched up. It wouldn’t be ideal, but we’d have to swallow some watered down, marshmallow soft form of Brexit, which would allow us to leave with a modicum of dignity.
Sadly, Mrs May’s dismal, defeatist ‘deal’ doesn’t even reach that threshold. Nor will it, no matter how many times she brings it back to the Commons.
But I suppose it was always on the cards that the Remain headbangers were never going to rest until they’d halted Brexit altogether.
As of now, it looks as if they’ve won. They’re certainly well ahead on away goals. Ruling out No Deal effectively means No Brexit.
Be in no doubt that what we are witnessing is a coup against the people. There may not be tanks on the streets, but it’s a coup all the same. A few hundred MPs have decided to defy the will of the 17,410,742 British citizens who voted to leave the EU. It was the largest number of people to have voted for anything in our proud history.
But the majority of ‘Hon members’ have been determined to overturn the referendum result, despite repeatedly promising to ‘respect’ it. The electorate is being treated with undisguised contempt. If they get away with it — which they probably will — Britain will have ceased to be a proper democracy.
Any chance of securing a dignified exit from the EU was scuppered on Wednesday night, when MPs voted to take No Deal off the table.
What’s the point of entering any kind of negotiation when your opponents know there’s no chance of you walking away without a deal, no matter how derisory?
About the same as agreeing to pay a 39 billion bill up front, I guess, without knowing what you’re going to get in return. If you’re not prepared to walk away empty-handed, you’re going to get taken to the cleaners.
Curiously, one of the proposers of the No Deal motion was Labour MP Jack Dromey, a former trades union official and husband of Harriet Harman.
Jack used to be a national officer with the TGWU, now Unite. Somehow I can’t ever imagine him going into talks with an employer, on his hands and knees, promising that he’d take whatever pathetic pay rise they decided to offer and guaranteeing there was no danger that his members would go on strike. He’d have been lynched as a class traitor.

So why does he think that’s an appropriate way to approach negotiations with the EU?
Still, when it comes to Brexit, the usual rules don’t seem to apply. For the past almost three years we’ve been living in a Looking Glass World where, like Lewis Carroll’s Humpty Dumpty, words mean whatever the politicians say they mean.
Promises to respect the referendum result turn out not to be worth the manifestos they are written on.
‘No Deal is better than a bad deal,’ was just another meaningless, insincere pledge.
‘Brexit means Brexit.’ Don’t make me laugh. ‘We will leave on March 29, 2019.’ In your dreams.
On Monday night, we were asked to believe that May had secured a famous victory in Strasbourg. Anyone who watched her humiliated, hollowed-out husk sitting alongside a bombastic Jean-Claude Drunker at their press conference would have had no problem working out that she had achieved absolutely nothing of significance.
In the interests of gallantry, it is almost de rigueur to acknowledge that the Prime Minister has worked hard, done her best in difficult circumstances.
But, as I wrote in July 2016, she was never up to the job. Nor was her heart in it. She capitulated to the EU’s demands from the off, drove Leave campaigners from her Cabinet, and relied on unelected civil servants resolutely opposed to Brexit to construct her ‘deal’.
Worst of all, she deceived the British public, for which she deserves never to be forgiven. She’s entitled to humiliate herself, but she’s not entitled to humiliate her country.
May is by no means the only culprit, though. The 17.4 million Leave voters have been comprehensively betrayed by an unholy, cross-party alliance of MPs, big business, the judiciary and most of the media.
You can trace this week’s events back to the court case brought by that strange woman Gina Miller. Remember her?
Mrs Miller, married to a multi-millionaire hedge fund manager, and bankrolled by wealthy Remainers, many of whom lived abroad, managed to persuade the Supreme Court to give Parliament — not the Prime Minister — the power to determine when, and if, Brexit might happen.
It was, you might say, the ultimate backstop. Since then, MPs have gleefully seized even more control of the process, finally allowing them to stop Brexit in its tracks this week.

RICHARD LITTLEJOHN: Democracy? It's all gone Humpty Dumpty
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15-03-2019, 09:03 AM
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Wow, that was some read, Marmaduke, You have put into print what every Leave voter is thinking. Utter betrayal of Brexit is the last word on what has happened. I hope all Remain supporters who have delighted in goading and insulting Leave voters for the past three years,are feeling proud of what has happened on their behalf. What a legacy to tell your future generations - that you willingly participated in the destruction of democracy in the UK. I hope you have a good explanation ready for them.
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15-03-2019, 09:28 AM
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I knew whatever goes wrong would somehow be heaped on remain voters. Even though we said it would be a shambles, it's somehow our fault just because we could foresee the problems. I'm not the EU's number one fan by any means but leaving it is not something you can do overnight without a plan. We will still leave in some shape or form, hopefully in a more ordered way. Two years is not sufficient time in such a complex situation to work out a deal that everyone can agree.
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15-03-2019, 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Realist ->

May is simply working for the EU, always has been.
And so she should be. The EU doesn't belong to Juncker, Tusk or Merkel, it belongs to us. We made it what it is, we introduced the legislation, wrote the treaties for others to sign, it's our, or as much ours as it is theirs. Perhaps the brexiters would have a better understanding of this if the HQ was in London.
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15-03-2019, 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Realist ->
You can never deliver what EVERYONE wants. That's why we have a majority voting system.

That system is now being usurped, ignored. Democracy is being shoved aside in favour of a dictatorship.

There have been countless revolutions throughout history. Millions have given their lives in wars to defend and protect our basic rights and freedoms.

If you persist in trying to obstruct or ignore democracy then the outcome is sadly inevitable.
Revolution and anarchy has never achieved the intended objectives. What starts as hope & idealism ends in hate and oppression.

It's not a dictatorship, it's just a very complex situation where half the country did not agree with the other half about a very complicated problem. If half the government is torn in line with the country then that is democracy.
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15-03-2019, 09:47 AM
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I think she is looking rather smug. Her mind is saying. "I think I am winning, we will not leave the EU and all my efforts to keep us in are paying off".
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15-03-2019, 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by big ben ->
I think she is looking rather smug. Her mind is saying. "I think I am winning, we will not leave the EU and all my efforts to keep us in are paying off".
May is winning any chess players out there will be able to see that she is adopting a certain strategy.

Once the game is won she will step aside and rest her poor body which has taken a terrible beating.
Lack of sleep must be a problem for her and if it continues it will take a toll on her health .
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15-03-2019, 10:41 AM
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Let's face it.

The only reason May is still in power is that the Cowboys don't fancy the prospect of managing the Brexit situation to any kind of conclusion.

They know that taking over now will lead to having to take the blame for the outcome.

None of them will have the guts for that.

Watch out for May being disposed of as soon as a safe (image wise) gap appears.
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