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14-07-2021, 07:51 PM
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Zud Africa

Is finally reverting to its natural form

It was inevitable that the Rainbow Nation would end up monochrome.

Rioting, looting, killing and all the joys that the ANC love are breaking out after a thieving POS was found guilty and the mob didn't like it.

Didn't take long for normality to be restored as is evident from news and pictures coming out.
https://news.sky.com/story/south-afr...oting-12355887
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14-07-2021, 07:53 PM
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Actually, it may be much more than that TAT.
It appears to be a possible attempted coup.
The ruling party has two factions - thereís infighting.

Since you opened the door - hereís an update:
Intel on the ground is as follows (from interviews with looters)
- All ANC members under investigation ie. Ace, Zuma, Duduzane, Carl Niehaus etc and the previous Mayor of Durban - Zandile Gumede have orchestrated a grand plan to get away with their corruption by regaining control of the cabinet.
- Cyril has made it clear that all he plans to clean up house and those implicated in corruption will be prosecuted. Zuma being the one the NPA has started with, the NPA have also been hot on the heels of Ace, Duduzane and Zandile.
- Ace, Zuma, Gumede stand to lose everything and will see jail time if this happens.
- The plot was simple, Ace as secretary general and Gumede as previous Mayor have full control of all ANC ward councillors and leaders in community. Gumede controls the Taxi association, through corruption, and uses the taxi association to extort money from business, this is a well known fact in Durban.
- They devised a well-orchestrated plan to create anarchy, by reaching out to all ward councillors and other leaders in communities by exploiting their frustration in poor service delivery, poverty and lack of jobs with the promise of
being able to take everything and anything they want from any business.. and to make the "white people" feel what it feels like to be without food and jobs all the community had to do was to follow their lead and loot from the stores when the time came.
- The looting has been exceptionally well coordinated, with people knowing hours beforehand where they were going to target and when.
- The criminal elements then lead the community into the shopping centres with the promise of free food, equipment, tv's etc etc. "they will be protected by the leaders when looting"
- Co-ordinating the movement of thousands of people at the same time to the same place.
- Once anarchy sets in - they leverage the difficult situation Cyrilís administration finds itself in and poor public opinion that ensues to initiate a vote of no confidence in Cyril, replace the cabinet and take back the government. Dissolve all cases against them and get away "scot free"
- Failing the vote of no confidence they initiate a coup
- Either way regaining control of the government.

- 90% of the looters are there for the free goods and have no intention to be violent or any political agenda.. they believe or at least they have been brainwashed into thinking they are righteous by taking what they never got.
- The other 10% are politically motivated to incite violence and create anarchy, supported by the MKMVA in order to destabilize the country and force government to make a bad move. ie. deploy the army and kill black people, falling right into the hands of the Zuma faction.

- In summary this is internal ANC battle being played out on the battlefields of Durban and Gauteng with the rest of the country to follow.
People on News TV now saying that they were paid to cause the problem by their ward councillors.
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14-07-2021, 08:03 PM
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Thanks VERY MUCH for the heads up. It looks very nasty from here. Stay safe.
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14-07-2021, 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by The Artful Todger ->
Thanks VERY MUCH for the heads up. It looks very nasty from here. Stay safe.
Thank you TAT - it is a war zone.
A portion of the army has now been deployed.

Iím sure Mandela is turning in his grave.
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14-07-2021, 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by The Artful Todger ->
Is finally reverting to its natural form

It was inevitable that the Rainbow Nation would end up monochrome.

Rioting, looting, killing and all the joys that the ANC love are breaking out after a thieving POS was found guilty and the mob didn't like it.

Didn't take long for normality to be restored as is evident from news and pictures coming out.
https://news.sky.com/story/south-afr...oting-12355887

That article brought back memories and l felt quite homesick
looking at the images Todger!!
I particularly liked the photo showing what l assume was a looters
car that had had its wheels stolen while he was busy in the
wharehouse 🤗🤗
That's what dog eat dog society breeds !! Beware!!

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14-07-2021, 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Minx ->
Actually, it may be much more than that TAT.
It appears to be a possible attempted coup.
The ruling party has two factions - thereís infighting.

Since you opened the door - hereís an update:
Intel on the ground is as follows (from interviews with looters)
- All ANC members under investigation ie. Ace, Zuma, Duduzane, Carl Niehaus etc and the previous Mayor of Durban - Zandile Gumede have orchestrated a grand plan to get away with their corruption by regaining control of the cabinet.
- Cyril has made it clear that all he plans to clean up house and those implicated in corruption will be prosecuted. Zuma being the one the NPA has started with, the NPA have also been hot on the heels of Ace, Duduzane and Zandile.
- Ace, Zuma, Gumede stand to lose everything and will see jail time if this happens.
- The plot was simple, Ace as secretary general and Gumede as previous Mayor have full control of all ANC ward councillors and leaders in community. Gumede controls the Taxi association, through corruption, and uses the taxi association to extort money from business, this is a well known fact in Durban.
- They devised a well-orchestrated plan to create anarchy, by reaching out to all ward councillors and other leaders in communities by exploiting their frustration in poor service delivery, poverty and lack of jobs with the promise of
being able to take everything and anything they want from any business.. and to make the "white people" feel what it feels like to be without food and jobs all the community had to do was to follow their lead and loot from the stores when the time came.
- The looting has been exceptionally well coordinated, with people knowing hours beforehand where they were going to target and when.
- The criminal elements then lead the community into the shopping centres with the promise of free food, equipment, tv's etc etc. "they will be protected by the leaders when looting"
- Co-ordinating the movement of thousands of people at the same time to the same place.
- Once anarchy sets in - they leverage the difficult situation Cyrilís administration finds itself in and poor public opinion that ensues to initiate a vote of no confidence in Cyril, replace the cabinet and take back the government. Dissolve all cases against them and get away "scot free"
- Failing the vote of no confidence they initiate a coup
- Either way regaining control of the government.

- 90% of the looters are there for the free goods and have no intention to be violent or any political agenda.. they believe or at least they have been brainwashed into thinking they are righteous by taking what they never got.
- The other 10% are politically motivated to incite violence and create anarchy, supported by the MKMVA in order to destabilize the country and force government to make a bad move. ie. deploy the army and kill black people, falling right into the hands of the Zuma faction.

- In summary this is internal ANC battle being played out on the battlefields of Durban and Gauteng with the rest of the country to follow.
People on News TV now saying that they were paid to cause the problem by their ward councillors.
Very interesting reading your post Mind, your analysis of the
situation tallies exactly with my friend in PEs WhatsApp l have
just been reading??
You both say Cyril will have to tread carefully! I assume he has control
of the army ? and l heard that the taxi drivers have pledged support
to protecting the malls? (which seems a bit odd to me?)
We have started to get good coverage on TV now but it will be good
to hear from you as you are on the spot so to speak !!
Good luck and fingers crossed !!
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14-07-2021, 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Donkeyman ->
Very interesting reading your post Mind, your analysis of the
situation tallies exactly with my friend in PEs WhatsApp l have
just been reading??
You both say Cyril will have to tread carefully! I assume he has control
of the army ? and l heard that the taxi drivers have pledged support
to protecting the malls? (which seems a bit odd to me?)
We have started to get good coverage on TV now but it will be good
to hear from you as you are on the spot so to speak !!
Good luck and fingers crossed !!
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Iím quoting the analysis
Looters are opportunistic. This appears to be an orchestrated attempt to destabilise the country.

Thankfully, I live in a secure security controlled suburb but not everyone here is as fortunate.

We have many problems in our country and someone knew which buttons to press.

We still play the best Rugby and cricket though
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15-07-2021, 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Minx ->
Iím quoting the analysis
Looters are opportunistic. This appears to be an orchestrated attempt to destabilise the country.

Thankfully, I live in a secure security controlled suburb but not everyone here is as fortunate.

We have many problems in our country and someone knew which buttons to press.

We still play the best Rugby and cricket though

On the rugby and after yesterday's B&IL match l think you should say
So far , Minxy ?
On the turmoil in SA, I Have one question for you,
What do you think the next stage of the orchestrators plans will
be ?
So far there has been no hostility shown towards whites yet?
White reporters and camerermen seem to be mixing freely with the
looters, how long will this last??
Sorry that was two questions, but anyway, stay safe !!

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Stay safe Minx.
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16-07-2021, 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Donkeyman ->
On the rugby and after yesterday's B&IL match l think you should say
So far , Minxy ?
On the turmoil in SA, I Have one question for you,
What do you think the next stage of the orchestrators plans will
be ?
So far there has been no hostility shown towards whites yet?
White reporters and camerermen seem to be mixing freely with the
looters, how long will this last??
Sorry that was two questions, but anyway, stay safe !!

Donkeyman! 👍👍
Iím not sure DK. Theyíve presented a list of ridiculous demands to the PresidentÖ

The Whites and Indians are armed so theyíre afraid to infiltrate the residential areas.

Iím watching developments same as you. But Iím hoping Clem Sunterís sentiments prevail:

Clem Sunter, born in Suffolk England on the 8th of August 1944, gained his education at Winchester College. Before joining Charter Consolidated as a management trainee in 1966 he went to Oxford where he read politics, philosophy and economics.

He moved to Lusaka in Zambia to work for the Anglo American Corporation Central Africa in 1971. He then transferred to the head office of the Anglo American Corporation of South Africa in Johannesburg after that in 1973. He spent most of his succeeding career in the Gold and Uranium Division in which he served as its chairman and CEO from 1990 to 1996. During this time it was the largest producer of gold in the world. Until recently he was chairman of the Anglo American Chairmanís Fund, which was, as stated in a recent survey, the primary corporate social responsibility fund in South Africa.

Clem Sunter (a scenario planner and strategist whose influential ideas in the 1980s played into apartheid South Africa opting for the High Road of political settlement, rather than the Low Road of confrontation and civil war)


ďDear friends,

Many of you outside of South Africa are wondering what is really going on. So here is a very simple outline. The thing is obviously far more complex and nuanced than can be set out in a brief note but this will give you some picture of what is really happening.

Following the 1994 democratic elections in South Africa, South Africa did really well economically until about 2008. That was also the year that Jacob Zuma was elected president of the ANC. At that point in time, some of us had a sense of disquiet already. But little did any of us understand then the extent of the corruption and weakening of government institutions that would follow. We have no clear idea of the extent of what was stolen during the Jacob Zuma years, other than that it is a stupendous sum of money which this country certainly cannot afford. Eventually however the internal tide within the ANC started to slowly turn against Jacob Zuma. On 18 December 2017 Cyril Ramaphosa was elected as the president of the ANC (and also subsequently became the president of South Africa). But it was a very narrow margin of victory.

The thing about Cyril Ramaphosa is that he is fundamentally a principled man. And certainly, determined to clean up the history of corruption we have seen since 2008. Various steps have been taken by him and the ANC under his guidance to give effect to this. One of the things that was done was to establish a commission chaired by Raymond Zondo, who is the Deputy Chief Justice of South Africa. The purpose of this commission was to investigate the corruption issues and to expose them to the light of day.

Jacob Zuma was required to appear in front of the commission. He effectively refused to do so. He was ordered by the Constitutional Court to do so. He defied the order of the Constitutional Court. The Constitutional Court in turn ordered his imprisonment for a period of 15 months for contempt of court. This, whatever you call it, is fundamentally the rule of law in action.

Initially there was resistance to imprisonment by Jacob Zuma and his supporters. A week ago, however Jacob Zuma submitted himself to imprisonment. And then all hell broke loose.

What you need to understand is that Jacob Zuma has his powerbase in KwaZulu Natal, where the riots have been at their worst. This is also, as the name will tell you, the home territory of the Zulu nation. And Jacob Zuma is a prominent figure in the Zulu nation. Within the Jacob Zuma camp, individuals set about instigating the so-called protests, riots and looting that you have seen in the media. To a significant extent they leveraged the problems of poverty and inequality in South Africa to achieve their ends. Very often in this country we have areas where many very poor people are resident adjacent to commercial complexes. This was an ideal combination to exploit. In addition to that there are the existing fissures along race lines that exist in our society which were also available to leverage. Audio files doing the rounds encouraged people to attack and destroy what are perceived to be white and white owned businesses. In the end though, many black businesspeople also suffered considerable losses.

The gameplan was to create a situation which would force the hand of the current government. Ideally, it would result in an overreaction by the security forces, with the result that many of the poor and vulnerable would be killed (which is what happened at Marikana a few years back). If that occurred, it would likely force the resignation or removal of Cyril Ramaphosa as president. Meaning the Jacob Zuma camp would have achieved their objective. This is one reason why the security forces have been so careful not to use excessive force in dealing with the riots and the looters.

While there is still a lot of instability in KwaZulu Natal and certain pockets in Gauteng, what is now starting to emerge quite clearly is that the gambit by the Jacob Zuma camp has failed. South African society of all walks has turned its face against this insurrection. In effect, an attempted coup has failed.

South Africans are a strange nation in many ways. They argue and fight amongst themselves but when pushed to the edge, they always pull together for the common good. This has happened again and again over the decades.

This has been perhaps a necessary test of our democracy and of the rule of law. Make no mistake but that South Africa has many very real challenges. But South Africa will pass through this and will put the locust years behind it.Ē
 
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