11-08-2019, 01:26 PM
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Re: Anyone prepping for an Oct No-Deal?
Originally Posted by Puddle Duck
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If you don't want to watch the whole of this, go to 8.30 and see the last couple of minutes. ]
Some independence from the UK.https://publications.parliament.uk/p.../gibraltar.htm
11-08-2019, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by AnnieS
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Perhaps you should just admit that you don't know what will happen to Gibraltar in a no-deal Brexit scenario instead of this pious, condescending ritual you always go through to deflect from your own ignorance.... I expect people who support no deal/Brexit to have the views. My position is that the whole leave with no deal shenanigans should have been avoided. It seems that no deal supporters have no idea of consequences and are just hoping for the best like a blindfolded skier....
in exit talks over the sovereignty issue. The Chief Minister warned that the
UK would need to be conscious of this risk from the outset, and should be
prepared to “play hard ball with Spain”.92 The Government of Gibraltar also
raised the concern that, after Brexit, when the UK is no longer present in
Working Groups and other EU decision-making fora, Spain will be able to act
with impunity in using EU law (such as that relating to Sites of Community
Interest) to advance its territorial claims over Gibraltar.93
83. Ashley Fox MEP noted that the withdrawal agreement reached under Article
50 TEU will only need to be approved by the Council of the EU by qualified
majority, mitigating concern over a Spanish veto. However, any future trade
agreement between the UK and the EU would need unanimous support,
and he suggested that “you might expect a Spanish Government to use their
veto in that trade [negotiation] as a lever on … Gibraltar”.94
https://www.parliament.uk/brexit-gibraltar/
11-08-2019, 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Solasch
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Several witnesses raised the possibility of Spain holding the UK to ransom in exit talks over the sovereignty issue. The Chief Minister warned that the
UK would need to be conscious of this risk from the outset, and should be
prepared to “play hard ball with Spain”.92 The Government of Gibraltar also
raised the concern that, after Brexit, when the UK is no longer present in
Working Groups and other EU decision-making fora, Spain will be able to act
with impunity in using EU law (such as that relating to Sites of Community
Interest) to advance its territorial claims over Gibraltar.93
83. Ashley Fox MEP noted that the withdrawal agreement reached under Article
50 TEU will only need to be approved by the Council of the EU by qualified
majority, mitigating concern over a Spanish veto. However, any future trade
agreement between the UK and the EU would need unanimous support,
and he suggested that “you might expect a Spanish Government to use their
veto in that trade [negotiation] as a lever on … Gibraltar”.94
https://www.parliament.uk/brexit-gibraltar/
A swift embargo, on UK holiday trips to Spain, might influence that.
11-08-2019, 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Tedc
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A swift embargo, on UK holiday trips to Spain, might influence that.
Try telling Boris or Nigel "no cherry-picking" and "you can't have your cake and eat it" and see if you receive the same tame response as you did from Treason May.
Not so "in the bag" now when you no longer have someone to bully and brow-beat, is it?
11-08-2019, 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by shropshiregirl
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Again, more threats. It appears the EU has been quite happy to sit by while a certain few of their member states issued threats towards the UK. All grist to the mill showing their grown-up negotiating skills. So pathetic and infantile.Try telling Boris or Nigel "no cherry-picking" and "you can't have your cake and eat it" and see if you receive the same tame response as you did from Treason May.
Not so "in the bag" now when you no longer have someone to bully and brow-beat, is it?
11-08-2019, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by AnnieS
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Perhaps you should just admit that you don't know what will happen to Gibraltar in a no-deal Brexit scenario instead of this pious, condescending ritual you always go through to deflect from your own ignorance.... I expect people who support no deal/Brexit to have the views. My position is that the whole leave with no deal shenanigans should have been avoided. It seems that no deal supporters have no idea of consequences and are just hoping for the best like a blindfolded skier....
Btw, Who do you know that skis blindfolded?
Your analogy is pathetic.
The consequences of a No Deal Brexit are many, varied and will be positive and negative. Personally, I believe a Deal is the preferred outcome but I would definitely take No Deal over Remain..............The prospect of Remain is unthinkable.
The problem with wobbly lefty types is that they are always looking for guarantees of positive outcomes...........That is fanciful, chasing unicorn fantasy politics.
There are no guarantees in this life..........get a grip of yer knickers!
11-08-2019, 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by shropshiregirl
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Annie, with the greatest respect, that remark about no deal leavers is rather condescending to say the least. At least we are not willing to roll over on our tummies to be tickled whilst having our pockets picked! So, if your view is that "the whole leave with no deal shenanigans should have been avoided" what is your view on what should have happened? Of course, being a Remainer, you would be quite happy for us to remain trapped half in and half out of the EU, with nothing changed because the EU would be the only one with any say on whom we could trade with, while keeping us in a customs union and handing over NI on a plate.
Are you really telling us that is what you would be happy with?
My views for voting remain are as per my original post.
Perhaps you know more about what will happen to Gibraltar and Brits living in other EU countries in the event of a no deal? Not much is being said in the press about this since BJ took office.
11-08-2019, 02:47 PM
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Moscow it seems Solash knows more than you do so no need to pretend you are fully up to speed. It's your y -fronts that are in a knot because i asked a question you don't like. But good to hear that you agree it's better to leave with a deal!11-08-2019, 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Solasch
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Their only reaction has been, we leave without a deal. They seem to forget that, based on article 50, the EU is obliged to offer a deal. The leaving member need not take the offer. May did however, and boris keeps telling he would like to have deal. So who is in the upper position?
A no-deal is going to hurt everyone. Yet the EU continues to stick its stupid head in the sand by refusing to come to the table. You may well be feeling quite proud of them in their stand against us, but be warned, If the UK leaves without a deal and all that entails, everyone will know that is because of the irresponsible and intransigent EU.
The UK has let it be known that the withdrawal agreement has been rejected in Parliament three times. How many times do you need telling? It's dead and buried. You have said that the UK will suffer the most, but combined member states will suffer even more. But your EU doesn't seem to care. Collateral Damage, just to prove a point that no-one else had better try to leave the dictatorship.
11-08-2019, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by shropshiregirl
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Don't be so sure. A no-deal is a very serious thing. It's no use you pretending that the EU is fully prepared. They are not!A no-deal is going to hurt everyone. Yet the EU continues to stick its stupid head in the sand by refusing to come to the table. You may well be feeling quite proud of them in their stand against us, but be warned, If the UK leaves without a deal and all that entails, everyone will know that is because of the irresponsible and intransigent EU.
The UK has let it be known that the withdrawal agreement has been rejected in Parliament three times. How many times do you need telling? It's dead and buried. You have said that the UK will suffer the most, but combined member states will suffer even more. But your EU doesn't seem to care. Collateral Damage, just to prove a point that no-one else had better try to leave the dictatorship.
The UK were granted an extension to ratify the withdrawal deal. You were warned by Tusk not to spoil this time.
Moreover, the condition for granting the extension was that you wouldn't ask for renegotiating. Yet boris does.
Treacherous bastard. A real pm tells his people that he is bound in honour by his predecessor.
https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/p...-on-extension/
This extension excludes any re-opening of the Withdrawal Agreement. Any unilateral
commitment, statement or other act by the United Kingdom should be compatible with the
letter and the spirit of the Withdrawal Agreement, and must not hamper its
implementation. Such an extension cannot be used to start negotiations on the future
relationship.
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