You haven't waffled at all Mups, isn't this what discussion is all about, I love to read people's opinions on the forum, it's one of the main reasons I come on here. Sometimes I even change my own opinion after reading a post, I tend not to worry about things I have no control over, so the only thing I can change is my opinion.

I am never offended either, I welcome differing opinions, when someone is offended it seriously limits the direction that the discussion can take and it no longer becomes a proper discussion. I do observe the number one forum law, to attack the post and not the poster, I would never knowingly call anyone names (unless they wanted me to) or make personal suggestions against a poster.

Sorry, now I'm waffling.....Back to the topic in question.
If Tom and partners adoption isn't for show, then why have the press got hold of it. Same with their relationship. Why didn't they quietly get on with it and nobody would have been the wiser. There must be hundreds of gay people who adopt children that we never hear about. It just makes me think that celebrity's deliberately inform the media and say 'Look at me, I'm such a good person'...'And I'm Gay'.....'And Hello Magazine will pay me a fortune for my story'....Just get on with it Tom you're giving Gay people a bad name, especially on here...

It seems to me that with all this trying to fit a square peg in a round hole (so to speak) it's the children that are getting overlooked. I couldn't care less what someone's sexuality is, that's up to them but the only ones likely to suffer are the children.

I can remember at school, certain people being bullied because they wore cheap trainers so I dread to think what it could be like if your parents are gay. I also read yesterday of the world's first man to breast feed???

It think we are so obsessed with destroying the traditional family that there could be repercussions in the future.

You haven't waffled at all Mups, isn't this what discussion is all about, I love to read people's opinions on the forum, it's one of the main reasons I come on here. Sometimes I even change my own opinion after reading a post, I tend not to worry about things I have no control over, so the only thing I can change is my opinion.

I am never offended either, I welcome differing opinions, when someone is offended it seriously limits the direction that the discussion can take and it no longer becomes a proper discussion. I do observe the number one forum law, to attack the post and not the poster, I would never knowingly call anyone names (unless they wanted me to) or make personal suggestions against a poster.

Sorry, now I'm waffling.....Back to the topic in question.
If Tom and partners adoption isn't for show, then why have the press got hold of it. Same with their relationship. Why didn't they quietly get on with it and nobody would have been the wiser. There must be hundreds of gay people who adopt children that we never hear about. It just makes me think that celebrity's deliberately inform the media and say 'Look at me, I'm such a good person'...'And I'm Gay'.....'And Hello Magazine will pay me a fortune for my story'....Just get on with it Tom you're giving Gay people a bad name, especially on here...

Mups, re your post about gay men raising a girl and the problems when it comes to menstruation. That scenario is no different to me raising my son and having to explain the facts of life to him from the male perspective. He had no male influence whatsoever in his life, it was just him and me. I bought a suitable, humourous book which explained in detail everything from teenage spots to wet dreams etc.

So where is the difference between male instruction and female instruction? By the way, I was never informed about menstruation, birth control or anything, so was scared stiff the first time I bled. My gran handed me some money and told me to go to the chemist and ask for sanitary towels. The full extent of my education - apart from other school kids.

Two three things come to mind here CeeCee.

1) I brought my son without his Dad too, but my son still saw him a lot, and also had his Grandad's influence too, so I perhaps wasn't as alone as you.
However, although we now see the end product, we will never know if our boys might have turned out differently if their father had been present full time.

2) You say you found a book to explain things to your son, and I agree that is one way round it, BUT if they need to discuss anything they can't do that with a book can they.
It is not the same as a girl to girl talk about her body IMO.

3) Please don't be offended, and I appreciate you offering your point of view, but I still feel the same as when I wrote my post.

Regarding men being 'induced' to breasfeed, I'm afraid I can't get my head round that at all. It is so against nature and very wrong - almost macabre - to me.

It's a different world these days people want all the details from their celebrities much of his life is lived on line, it's more common than not to announce things this way. I'm fed up of seeing pregnancy pics either grainy interior shots or enormous bellies filling the screen. But others like it so I tolerate.

Off topic a little I was cleaning a loo last night and a picture was thrust in my face a 6 week scan, yes I really wanted to see that as I bent and scrubbed poop off the back of the seat !