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23-03-2019, 11:23 AM
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Remainers, Open your Eyes!

I hope Remain supporters won't mind me saying that whilst they always seem keen to remind those of us who voted to leave the EU, just what we will be losing out on in our economy. Not once do they ever bring up the fact that it is the EU that is responsible for some of the worst damage to our industries. Albeit, with the cooperation of our crappy, bootlicking successive governments, ever eager to please their EU masters, and to hell with the cost of British jobs and livelihoods.

When it comes to our industries, I have always believed that this was a planned and deliberate move by the EU to diminish the UK’s successful track record in most fields of Industry, in order to bring us in under their mantle only. I can almost guarantee that if you were to name a single British Industry, the EU’s slimy hands have dipped into it, and never to our advantage.


It really amazes me how quickly Remainers also choose to forget about the onslaught on our industries. Remember in 2011? When a silver-haired, forked tongued gentleman from the EU, in his capacity as the European Union’s internal market commissioner, one Michel Barnier himself, met with the Bank of England Governor, Mervyn King, and dared to threaten to restrict the Bank of England’s powers to fix the capital rules for our banks. I haven’t forgotten it, even if I didn’t realise at the time that it was Barnier.
I still remember with glee, reading how King let fly at him in response I think the translator at the time was in shock at King’s anger and response. Good on you Sir Mervyn.

We never hear of the thousands of other meetings that have no doubt, been held in Brussels with successful British businesses, I guarantee that if one were to look into any of our industries you would find something that has been handicapped or damaged by the EU.

What about our Fishing Industry? The most blatant example of wholesale destruction of one of our most successful industries. Just think, we used to enjoy fishing that extended up to 200 miles from our coastline!. Once in the EU, this was slashed to just 12 miles - and even then this was classed as a concession and has had to be renewed every 10 years.
The untold damage that was caused, especially in the early years, is insurmountable. The damage is still ongoing. We have lost access to fishing sales that would now be worth well over £2 billion a year. And for what? The disgraceful, wasteful EU quotas have resulted in thousands of tonnes of fish just being thrown away. Oh, and to cap it all, we have to donate British taxpayers money to other fishing counties such as Greece and Poland.

What about our Financial Services Industry? One of the jewels in our crown! And one the EU would kill to get control of. How have they been doing it? Once one of the most successful in the world at one time. Over the last decade, the EU has crippled it with a tenfold increase in red tape and bureaucracy. More and more activities are coming under their majority voting and our once successful industry is being slowly and stealthily strangled.

Remainers again need to be reminded that during the 2008 financial crisis, it was the EU that proposed a Financial Transaction Tax, knowing full well that Britain would be the one country damaged most badly by such a move. Our Financial business would have been driven away to the USA, Singapore and everywhere else. Do they remember George Osborne’s words at the time? “This is a bullet aimed at the heart of London” and also “What sort of union is it that aims a gun at one of the biggest and most successful industries of one of its members?”

What about our Science Industry? Britain has been a world leader in science. In Study as well as Business.
We once conducted 12 % of clinical trials in the world.
Now it is just 1%.
Why? Because of the EU’s “Clinical Trials Directive, which at a stroke, destroyed clinical trials in this country. Okay, since then it has been made more reasonable by the EU. but too late for us as the industry had already gone to India and elsewhere. We had a leading role until the EU took over with a directive on testing genetically modified crops or insects. The process now for approval for experiments is so cumbersome and so bureaucratic, most scientists have given up even applying for it.

Going back to our financial industry - There has been a tenfold increase of EU law on financial services in the UK (I can personally vouch for that, being in the financial field for many years),
The red tape and bureaucracy have been unbelievable. It was actually overwhelming.
I guarantee it is still ongoing. British control of Financial Services is increasingly being replaced with EU regulations. Anyone who says otherwise is a liar.

The EU keeps on hurting the UK and our industries, but bloody-minded Remainers keep clinging on like an abused wife, who keep on making excuses for the abuser.

So, next time a Remain supporting poster whittles on about our industries suffering by us leaving, please remind him or her that to the contrary, British Industry will BENEFIT ENORMOUSLY if we manage to break free from their shackles before it is too late.
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23-03-2019, 11:30 AM
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All so true I don't understand why they don't see it, when I am told how much money we get from the EU I can't seem to get them to understand it's our money anyway we could keep it and give it to who we want instead of having some of it given back to us like pocket money. And we are the unintelligent unable to understand, uneducated ones ????
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23-03-2019, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by shropshiregirl ->
I hope Remain supporters won't mind me saying that whilst they always seem keen to remind those of us who voted to leave the EU, just what we will be losing out on in our economy. Not once do they ever bring up the fact that it is the EU that is responsible for some of the worst damage to our industries. Albeit, with the cooperation of our crappy, bootlicking successive governments, ever eager to please their EU masters, and to hell with the cost of British jobs and livelihoods.

When it comes to our industries, I have always believed that this was a planned and deliberate move by the EU to diminish the UK’s successful track record in most fields of Industry, in order to bring us in under their mantle only. I can almost guarantee that if you were to name a single British Industry, the EU’s slimy hands have dipped into it, and never to our advantage.


It really amazes me how quickly Remainers also choose to forget about the onslaught on our industries. Remember in 2011? When a silver-haired, forked tongued gentleman from the EU, in his capacity as the European Union’s internal market commissioner, one Michel Barnier himself, met with the Bank of England Governor, Mervyn King, and dared to threaten to restrict the Bank of England’s powers to fix the capital rules for our banks. I haven’t forgotten it, even if I didn’t realise at the time that it was Barnier.
I still remember with glee, reading how King let fly at him in response I think the translator at the time was in shock at King’s anger and response. Good on you Sir Mervyn.

We never hear of the thousands of other meetings that have no doubt, been held in Brussels with successful British businesses, I guarantee that if one were to look into any of our industries you would find something that has been handicapped or damaged by the EU.

What about our Fishing Industry? The most blatant example of wholesale destruction of one of our most successful industries. Just think, we used to enjoy fishing that extended up to 200 miles from our coastline!. Once in the EU, this was slashed to just 12 miles - and even then this was classed as a concession and has had to be renewed every 10 years.
The untold damage that was caused, especially in the early years, is insurmountable. The damage is still ongoing. We have lost access to fishing sales that would now be worth well over £2 billion a year. And for what? The disgraceful, wasteful EU quotas have resulted in thousands of tonnes of fish just being thrown away. Oh, and to cap it all, we have to donate British taxpayers money to other fishing counties such as Greece and Poland.

What about our Financial Services Industry? One of the jewels in our crown! And one the EU would kill to get control of. How have they been doing it? Once one of the most successful in the world at one time. Over the last decade, the EU has crippled it with a tenfold increase in red tape and bureaucracy. More and more activities are coming under their majority voting and our once successful industry is being slowly and stealthily strangled.

Remainers again need to be reminded that during the 2008 financial crisis, it was the EU that proposed a Financial Transaction Tax, knowing full well that Britain would be the one country damaged most badly by such a move. Our Financial business would have been driven away to the USA, Singapore and everywhere else. Do they remember George Osborne’s words at the time? “This is a bullet aimed at the heart of London” and also “What sort of union is it that aims a gun at one of the biggest and most successful industries of one of its members?”

What about our Science Industry? Britain has been a world leader in science. In Study as well as Business.
We once conducted 12 % of clinical trials in the world.
Now it is just 1%.
Why? Because of the EU’s “Clinical Trials Directive, which at a stroke, destroyed clinical trials in this country. Okay, since then it has been made more reasonable by the EU. but too late for us as the industry had already gone to India and elsewhere. We had a leading role until the EU took over with a directive on testing genetically modified crops or insects. The process now for approval for experiments is so cumbersome and so bureaucratic, most scientists have given up even applying for it.

Going back to our financial industry - There has been a tenfold increase of EU law on financial services in the UK (I can personally vouch for that, being in the financial field for many years),
The red tape and bureaucracy have been unbelievable. It was actually overwhelming.
I guarantee it is still ongoing. British control of Financial Services is increasingly being replaced with EU regulations. Anyone who says otherwise is a liar.

The EU keeps on hurting the UK and our industries, but bloody-minded Remainers keep clinging on like an abused wife, who keep on making excuses for the abuser.

So, next time a Remain supporting poster whittles on about our industries suffering by us leaving, please remind him or her that to the contrary, British Industry will BENEFIT ENORMOUSLY if we manage to break free from their shackles before it is too late.

Leave it out!!! - our industries were destroyed by that evil bitch Thatcher (phth, phth, phth) way back in the 80s !!!
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23-03-2019, 12:56 PM
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It's our successive Governments that are responsible for all that SG. I'm not sure why we have to keep going over that point again and again. The media propaganda to shift the blame elsewhere has obviously been very effective!
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23-03-2019, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Uncle Joe ->
Leave it out!!! - our industries were destroyed by that evil bitch Thatcher (phth, phth, phth) way back in the 80s !!!

UJ, I know your feeling about Margaret Thatcher. But if you are so sure she was responsible for the destruction of industry in the 80’s, can you please tell me why - from when she took office in 1979 until she left office in 1990, UK industrial production was higher when she left office in 1990 than it had been when she took office in 1979?
I appreciate there was a bad recession during her terms of office, but as the above is documented, how can she be deemed responsible for the destruction or devastation of British industry, when it never took place during her time?

Genuinely interested in an explanation to the above.
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23-03-2019, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by shropshiregirl ->
UJ, I know your feeling about Margaret Thatcher. But if you are so sure she was responsible for the destruction of industry in the 80’s, can you please tell me why - from when she took office in 1979 until she left office in 1990, UK industrial production was higher when she left office in 1990 than it had been when she took office in 1979?
I appreciate there was a bad recession during her terms of office, but as the above is documented, how can she be deemed responsible for the destruction or devastation of British industry, when it never took place during her time?

Genuinely interested in an explanation to the above.
SG MT freed up the market to overseas investment etc :

https://www.margaretthatcher.org/document/108381


"If a week is a long time in politics, how very long twenty years must be!
Today the word "globalisation" is all the rage. Twenty years ago it was still nationalisation.

Today our British industries are in private hands - efficient, productive, competitive, generating billions for the Exchequer for use on public services. Twenty years ago, our companies were impeded by militancy and restrictive practices, our management was complacent, our workforce unproductive. And state owned firms ate up, through subsidies, what should have gone to schools and hospitals.

Today Britain has the strongest economy, the soundest finances and the lowest taxation in Europe. Twenty years ago, this country was in economic decline, barely out of IMF tutelage for its swollen debts, and impoverished by tax rates that drove our most creative minds abroad.

I might like to tell you that the person responsible for this transformation was one Margaret Hilda Thatcher. But I'm not even tempted to do so. All that we in that government did was to create the right framework: it was the British people who did the rest.

Commentators sometimes talk as if the policies that turned Britain from the sick man of Europe to the model for Europe - indeed for more than Europe - were based on an economic formula. And I willingly grant the influence of free market economists, like Friedrich Hayek and Milton Friedman. But the root of the approach we pursued in the 1980s lay deep in human nature, and more especially the nature of the British people. If you really believe, as a matter of passionate conviction, in the talents and character of your nation, of course you want to set it free. And we British have a true vocation for liberty - all our history proves it.

But it took time to turn things round. Socialism was deeply embedded, not just into institutions but into minds, where it's always far more dangerous. Rab Butler once famously described politics as the art of the possible. But sometimes people convince themselves that nothing is really possible, and that's when the socialists see their chance.

You can easily understand why.

After all, if it was really impossible to curb inflation without state controls on prices, dividends and wages, then all the key decisions in economic life were bound to be taken by the state. But the doomsters were wrong. We proved it. We abolished those controls on people's freedom, and controlled the money supply instead.

If it was really impossible to have a strong currency and stable economy without exchange controls, then that bureaucratic thicket was bound to become a jungle. But the faint-hearts were wrong. We proved it. Within six months we abolished the exchange controls that had been in place for forty years. As a result, Britain built up a huge portfolio of overseas investment. And now globalised capital markets are the basis of our whole economic system."
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23-03-2019, 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by shropshiregirl ->
UJ, I know your feeling about Margaret Thatcher. But if you are so sure she was responsible for the destruction of industry in the 80’s, can you please tell me why - from when she took office in 1979 until she left office in 1990, UK industrial production was higher when she left office in 1990 than it had been when she took office in 1979?
I appreciate there was a bad recession during her terms of office, but as the above is documented, how can she be deemed responsible for the destruction or devastation of British industry, when it never took place during her time?

Genuinely interested in an explanation to the above.
Margaret Thatcher (and others) certainly destroyed the coal mining and steel industries. What short memories some people have. Look back at the historical records SG. Margaret Thatcher was determined to destroy the unions at any cost. It was not the EU.
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23-03-2019, 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by shropshiregirl ->
UJ, I know your feeling about Margaret Thatcher. But if you are so sure she was responsible for the destruction of industry in the 80’s, can you please tell me why - from when she took office in 1979 until she left office in 1990, UK industrial production was higher when she left office in 1990 than it had been when she took office in 1979?
I appreciate there was a bad recession during her terms of office, but as the above is documented, how can she be deemed responsible for the destruction or devastation of British industry, when it never took place during her time?

Genuinely interested in an explanation to the above.

Overall figures are meaningless - the figures include service industries, the banks and other financial institutions and we all know what happened to them, but look more closely into Manufacturing industry. Back in the early 1980s there were two (only two) companies producing tools which are used in all manufacturing industries. That evil bitch, engineered there closure, so now all manufacturing tools are made and imported from abroad. We all know what that evil bitch did to the coal industry, notwithstanding that we are still sitting on a mountain of coal. Other industries which that evil bitch determined weren't important also went to the wall too.
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23-03-2019, 01:19 PM
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So you can keep on blaming the EU for the situation of our industries but I will keep reiterating that this is not down to the EU but to our successive governments including MT's policies.

While state owned industries are not usually efficient that is how they are protected from foreign ownership. Selling them off would run them down. The fact is that our industries in general were bloated with complacent management and a lack of any direction or understanding of how they impact the economy. Global competition has run them down because they were badly run relative to overseas firms to start with.

Global capitalism does not have national borders. It is not the EU but a world movement. It will eventually eat its tail but in the meantime it creates prosperity and jobs. Closing off from that results in being like Venezuela etc.
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Hi

SG, do you honestly believe that the bunch of idiots we have in Parliament, on both sides, can improve things?

A 1000 days they have had to arrange Brexit and they have achieved nothing.

The entire bunch of them have been outwitted by an aging overweight drunkard.

How on earth do you think they are going to perform when they run up against the big boys, the USA and Japan, China etc?

Whether we stay or leave, we need to get rid of the entire bunch of them.
 
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