Re: Why do we hate the EU?

Unsure thank you for this well presented thread.... lets hope it remains a discussion where people offer their views for the good of the people, rather than another Brexit battle!

I feel that the world population is getting larger, but the people are less productive. Capitalism can work, but we all need to learn to be less greedy. People with private businesses always want greater profits, and in a world where everyone is getting poorer ( owing to too many people) their strong marketing encourages those who work for them to want more.

Socialism will struggle to work, because everybody will expect the government to provide for them, because they want what the more able people have. Sadly once you start giving money to those who wont work ( and there are thousands of them) you will find that many take the choice to receive less rather than work. To prevent this, the government need to invest more money into investigating possible fraudulent claims..... and that will mean the Gov will have less money to spend on other important things!

Neither system will work until everybody learns that we are not all equal and those who work hardest will get the best rewards. That is how life was after WW2 and we managed very well without assistance from Europe

We need a better system to help our economy, but our MPs are unlikely to find one by trying to grasp any vote they can, by offering money! Perhaps party politics have had their day because neither big party is showing an ability to be strong and win...... and they certainly don't care what the public say in a democratic vote!

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Not a bubble as such but I think we can lead by example, I want a more ethical foreign policy and to treat our citizens better. Show the world how it should be done by making it excellent here. That doesn't mean not interacting in fact we should be trading with more countries to help them trade out of poverty, we should be making sure poverty in this country is eradicated to show others it can be done. Treat our old people and disabled better, import practises that work in other countries, make us envy of the world. We can teach, we could bring in many more students from abroad and teach them in the best universities etc. So many countries have looked up to us in the past they can again if we get it right.

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Indeed they are also all over the 27 member states of the EU !!

Huge swathes of people, diverse people from all over Europe have had their fill of the corrupt EU cesspit and the arrogant powermad megalomaniacs running it.

The gravy train is over. With BrExit the train has been diverted onto the sidings and many of the other rail routes are now being questioned with EU member states ready to lift the rails completely.

The EU has become a joke, albeit a sick joke. Few see the benefit of the largely unelected elite who rake in their lucrative salaries and benefits. Few want anything to do with the emerging totalitarian state that they can see is coming there. None in the UK afaik would ever accept their attempts to remove basic freedoms like "innocent until proved guilty" and have in its place their police state "Corpus Juris" laws allowing them to seie and arrest anyone without trial or evidence for long periods of many months.

The EU is collapsing imho. Good riddance too!

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Well Like you I believe that capitalism can work but it has to be properly regulated and fairly taxed which is very different to what we have now. I also agree our (UK) best period was just after the war but at that time we were relatively advanced at manufacturing, a good ethos of employer/employee loyalty, responsible unions and a good mix of private/public industry. Crucially it was easy to sell our products abroad and people died shortly after retirement.


For me it was Thatcher that killed the UK.

1) Destroying our public industries and unions
2) Deregulating and promoting finance
3) Privatising obvious national industries
4) Promoting greed is good
5) Destroying employer/employee loyalty
6) Denying society


In the meantime the world has moved on. The reality is that we are even less self sufficient, we need to trade more and more to support our ageing population and instead we are wasting time discussing leaving the biggest trading block on the planet.


For me the architects of Brexit envisage a Singapore style, ultra right wing capitalist dream where they pay no taxes, there are no workers rights, we undermine and destroy the EU, fully privatise the NHS. The wealthy will live forever whilst the workers will die young.

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How come we are the only ones leaving right now?

This thread is really about WHY some of us hate the EU. You obviously do hate them but instead of just emotive adjectives can you give specific considered examples.

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I agree with all of this but I'm not sure how leaving the EU enables it? Most of the EU leaver leaders talk about Singapore style low tax economy, deregulation, closer links with Trump's USA etc certainly not more ethical trading?

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As this is not an anti-brexit thread, I am happy to post.

Without repeating other posters reasons for hating the EU, (all of which I agree with),

Some other reasons I hate the EU is the sheer extravagant waste, the continuing corruption, and the unaccountability of those in charge, to waste European taxpayers money on ridiculous things as those below.

Wasteful travel - The complete farce of the travelling circus.
The EU can only meet in full session in Strasbourg, France, one week a month, this means the whole lot - MEP’s, support staff, lobbyists, journalist and everyone else,
10,000 in all - have to travel for 5 hours to Strasbourg, just to salve France’s vanity and pride in being known as one of the founding members.

Ridiculous Over- Regulation - I will never forget when Brussels set guidelines that bananas should be “free from malformation or abnormal curvature”. Those of us who wanted to leave, soon made it perfectly clear that the British could decide for ourselves how bent our bananas could be.

Lack of accountability - unlike any other democracy, all big decisions in the EU are decided behind closed doors. They make decisions that affect us all, then announce their decisions later, without us ever knowing who it was that made that decision because of the secrecy involved in the decision making.

Ignoring rejection from the voters - The EU is devious. It just absorbs ballot-box defeats then gets the same result through other means.
Remember when France and the Netherlands rejected an EU constitution in 2005? The EU leaders came back 2 years later with what was called the “Lisbon Treaty” which had many of the same changes as the rejected EU constitution, but now gained through a different legal path that meant they didn't even have to ask the voters first.

Ridiculous cost of Translating. - The wasteful way the EU translates nearly everything it does into 24 official languages. Talk about a wasteful use of resources! Every single EU document is translated into every language. All high-level meetings are the same. The EU employs 1,750 linguists, 600 full-time interpreters and 3,000 freelancers..


And finally, Unnecessary bureaucracy - The sheer waste because of the need to dream up new cabinet positions to match the number of new members. So instead of the normal one or maybe two commissioners to cover these,, the EU has one commission for international cooperation and development, another for trade, another for jobs, growth, investment and competitiveness, another for economic and financial affairs, and yet another for internal market, industry, entrepreneurship and small and medium businesses.

The EU is like a runaway bus, awash with money that is not theirs to squander, but spent as though it grows on trees.

(figures for translating and bureaucracy - Washington Post.)

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I see it as a beginning not and end, we had to get our country back so we can change. I can't imagine the EU allowing us to change much while we are in it and need to be a the cash cow for the poorer countries.

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Good post as usual SG.
However, you're peeing in the wind trying make any remainers see the EU "Utopia" for what it really is.

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On previous occasions when the usa took to war, it was the UK who was first to follow. Dragging other EU members with them. Remember the weapons of mass destruction?
I'm curious when next time, post brexit, the usa barks whether the hounds of war will follow. Perhaps soon. On venezuela?