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10-04-2019, 12:44 PM
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When WILL our MPs wake up to the nation's sense of betrayal?

This article in today’s Daily Mail must resonate with every person who voted to Leave.
It must surely also resonate with every British citizen, Leave or Remain, who truly believes in democracy but has had to watch as our once proud and respected country has been humiliated beyond belief with our democracy just trampled upon.

Remember, this newspaper is a Remain supporting paper.

It is rather a long read, but it sums up everything from the day that we all went to vote in June 2016, to how it is today with a weak,compliant prime minister and a selfish, self-serving, grandstanding crop of appeasing majority Remain MPs, deluding themselves that they have nothing to lose, already being on the losing side, so they are content to destroy democracy, which many thousands fought and died for, without a care in the world.

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Just over 80 years ago prime minister Neville Chamberlain flew to Munich to meet the leaders of Germany and France in a last-ditch bid to avert an impending disaster.

Yesterday, his successor Theresa May made a similar trip - with a similar aim in mind, Both were trying to achieve their objective through compromise (for which they were accused of appeasement). And both were desperate for a solution, however flawed.

But Chamberlain had one key advantage in September 1938. Unlike Mrs May, he still had the power to walk away with No Deal.

On Monday our blundering, blustering Parliament stripped her of that one last bargaining chip. She now throws herself and her country at the feet of Angela Merkel and Emmanuel Macron, pleading for a lifeline.

It is a national humiliation. And a shocking indictment of our political class, who have undermined Mrs May every step of the way in her honest bid to secure an honourable Brexit.

How far we have sunk since those heady days of 2016, when we were going to take back control of our borders, money and laws.

Then, virtually every prominent politician, including Jeremy Corbyn, and even “People’s Vote” cheerleader Keir Starmer, said the referendum vote would be respected and there could be no replay.

What a bunch of hypocrites! Thanks to them, control is now firmly with Brussels. It is a grotesque supplication for which many bear responsibility.

Recalcitrant Remainers who simply refused to accept the Brexit vote, belligerent Eurosceptic “ultras” blind to the concept of pragmatism, cynical Labour bent on sabotage in the hope of forcing a general election, pompous second referendum campaigners who believe everyone who voted Leave was either stupid or racist - or both.

Through their vanity and arrogance, they have all played their part in this shameful affront to democracy. They have placed themselves above the electorate who put them where they are. And across the country, people are seething with anger at their pathetic antics. They were given a job to do and they have proved a miserable failure.

In a poll last week, 84 per cent of respondents said both main parties had been a let-down, with Tories and Labour being seen as equally useless.
Yet the politicians were still at it yesterday. Labour sitting on the fence. Tory ministers threatening to resign (as if anyone cared at this stage) and attention-seeking backbenchers such as Yvette Cooper and Oliver Letwin jumping up asking to be noticed.

Risibly, Miss Cooper hailed the passage of her own Bill - which renders it illegal for the Government to leave with No Deal - as “the sensible way forward”.

How deluded is it possible to be? In what earthly sense could the ludicrous double negative of agreeing not to have No Deal take us anywhere? Agreeing not to do something is not the same as agreeing to do something. Miss Cooper.
It’s a recipe for permanent stasis. So where do we go from here? (apart from Hell in a handcart).

It now appears that Brussels will offer an extension the end of this year or longer, with the proviso that we could leave before then if a deal was agreed.
If we are unable to agree one by May 22, we will have to go through the charade of electing a new crop of MEPs. The chances of meeting that deadline look bleak, but there are possible routes through the minefield.

The first would be for Mrs May to finalise a deal with Labour which could make it through the Commons (a slim chance at best.) This would probably include a customs union, which would be an extremely bitter pill to swallow.
People should understand exactly what this means. We would have no power over our external trade policy and would be bound to accept future EU trading and standards regulations.

The situation would be even worse if Mr Corbyn had his way and we accepted his “dynamic alignment” to single market rules. We would then have no power of veto over future employment laws, yet we would be forced to abide by them.

Should the parties fail to agree a compromise, the Prime Minister will come back to Parliament for another series of indicative votes. But this time, any viable options that reached a majority would be binding.
One of these options, if Speaker John Bercow doesn’t scupper it, should be Mrs May’s bruised and battered withdrawal deal - hopefully without a permanent customs union attached. Flawed it certainly is, but for all the brickbats and histrionics it still represents the best available option.

It may not bring Peace in our Time, but it will get us out of the EU. MPs of all parties must give it serious consideration if they are to have any hope of redemption.

These are perilous times for our democracy. Voters across Britain must already be wondering why they bother voting, when their wishes are so casually ignored
The Parliamentary system is teetering on the brink.

When WILL our politicians wake up to the nation’s sense of utter betrayal?

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Well, my feeling is one of utter and complete shame at the way this country has been made a laughing stock in front of the whole world, but even more, I’m angry, really angry at how we ever allowed this once proud country to be made supplicant to the EU, at the hands of b…...s like Theresa May, her Cabinet, Remain MPs and every single one of their supporters.

How are you feeling about our situation?
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10-04-2019, 01:11 PM
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Re: When WILL our MPs wake up to the nation's sense of betrayal?

Several months ago, when the Brexit negotiations were starting to get really silly & messy, I was watching one of the many TV shows about it, though I forget which now, they all merge into one another
An American journalist had been invited to give his opinion, and he summed up the situation perfectly -

"The problem with Democracy is that it relies on the losing side to accept and respect the result".
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Which, with respect, if the many views of remain supporters on the Brexit forum here is any indicator, never have!
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SG, l am wondering why there have been no protests in London like the ones years ago, when Margaret Thatcher brought in the Poll Tax.
Have we all been kept down, neutered, frightened even, that we seem to be accepting all that is thrown at us now?

The whole Brexit thing trundles on and nothing changes.
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Re: When WILL our MPs wake up to the nation's sense of betrayal?

Originally Posted by Artangel ->
SG, l am wondering why there have been no protests in London like the ones years ago, when Margaret Thatcher brought in the Poll Tax.
Have we all been kept down, neutered, frightened even, that we seem to be accepting all that is thrown at us now?

The whole Brexit thing trundles on and nothing changes.
Recently a milion marched to make parliament revoke A50. They haven't done so (yet). Even farage strolled in a few days later, accompanied by a few hundred of his gang.
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It's true Art. We only ever see the London Remain bubble's demo's by the lunchtime Remain supporters, EU flags flying and the many interviews with the Remain supporting elite by the remain supporting media.

How often does one see the media going out to the rest of the country and talking to Leave voters? that's right, almost NEVER! it wouldn't do for them to give airtime to "the enemy".
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Originally Posted by shropshiregirl ->
It's true Art. We only ever see the London Remain bubble's demo's by the lunchtime Remain supporters, EU flags flying and the many interviews with the Remain supporting elite by the remain supporting media.

How often does one see the media going out to the rest of the country and talking to Leave voters? that's right, almost NEVER! it wouldn't do for them to give airtime to "the enemy".
For the NEWS you mustn't go to leavers. Never a new argument.
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Originally Posted by Artangel ->
SG, l am wondering why there have been no protests in London like the ones years ago, when Margaret Thatcher brought in the Poll Tax.
Have we all been kept down, neutered, frightened even, that we seem to be accepting all that is thrown at us now?

The whole Brexit thing trundles on and nothing changes.
Think you've hit the nail n the head, Arty, it seems that
anyone born after 1965 have developed a different concept
of what being British is, they seem to believe that the eu
has allways been our provider, and is responsible for giving
us grants for education/ reshearch/ inferstructure etc..
They are not to blame for their prceptions, they were born
Into them, and so know no differently,
These prceptions are of course reinforced by the eu's
policy of taking our money and then giving some of it
back, in the form of grants etc,
Thus younger members of uk society have been seduced
by eu policies.
How did we get here, how can we change it
I dont know

Best Regards Donkeyman.
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Re: When WILL our MPs wake up to the nation's sense of betrayal?

Originally Posted by Artangel ->
SG, l am wondering why there have been no protests in London like the ones years ago, when Margaret Thatcher brought in the Poll Tax.
Have we all been kept down, neutered, frightened even, that we seem to be accepting all that is thrown at us now?

The whole Brexit thing trundles on and nothing changes.

Probably because everyone who voted leave is at work
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Just had an email from HMRC addressed to me saying what to do in the event of a no-deal Brexit and a link to a Webinar. There are 2 sessions I could attend, one today and one tomorrow.

Hmm...
 
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