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19-07-2019, 09:25 PM
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If you support BDS you are an anti semite .
(the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement is a Palestinian-led campaign promoting various forms of boycott against Israel )
If you deny Israels right to exist you are an anti semite .
IIlan Omar has picked up her families Marxist beliefs which include anti semitism .
Alas she is a Muslim and many Muslims are inherently anti semites .

But more than anything as has been said often she is an ungrateful immigrant .
She has nothing much good to say for the country that took her her father and grandfather and her six siblings in and gave them a life .
The USA for all its faults takes in more immigrants than any country in the world .
So basically you are saying that the actions of the Israeli state cannot be questioned or criticised because that's anti semitic behaviour? Surely that's anti semitic in itself - treating it as a special case because it's a Jewish state?

What if Jewish people criticise Israel and back BDS? Are they also anti-semitic? What about "Jewish voice for peace"? You can never assume a state is supported by all its population and you have to respect the views of those who do not agree rather than make out they are outside that system. For example we have previously discussed the Orthodox community in Israel who do not agree with the way things are there.

A two state solution does not deny Israel's right to exist.

The fact that she is Muslim is irrelevant because just as many Muslims have been angered by her views of Islamic states.

She's a controversial figure that's for sure.

How is Marxism anti-semitic?
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I am NOT saying that at all
.Please don't put your words forward as mine.
One can criticise Israel but not by applying DOUBLE STANDARDS or HIGHTER STANDARDS .
Nor by comparing them to Nazis ( as does IO ) which they are not this is not only shameful it is anti Semitism.

Although Marx himself was of Jewish origin he was an anti semite .
Jewish people can criticise Israel and support BDS very few do though in deed very few decent people of any religion do.
Why would you punish a country trying to defend its own citizens?
Yes we have discussed the Orthodox community a minority who would soon change their minds if they were subject to BDS and weren't protected by the IDF.
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19-07-2019, 11:04 PM
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Haven't you read any of that cretin's sicker than sick tweets?
I don't see racism against Ms Omar and the rest.
He's offensive and clumsy but he has not attacked them on the basis of their colour or ethnicity but on their politics and basically their anti America rhetoric.

Because she is so bigoted and anti American she is practically guaranteeing Trump serving for a second term in office.

Americans may not like him but they really don't like her , what she represents and what agenda she wants to promote even less.
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20-07-2019, 08:39 AM
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Muslims get told not to take Jews or Christians as friends so what can anyone expect.

As for a two state solution, there IS a two state solution.

Jordan is one, Israel the second, and the Disputed Territories which are what had been intended to be an integral part of the second state, Israel.
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20-07-2019, 08:47 AM
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That's not the two state solution.

On the question of Jewish settlements on occupied territories. What's that all about?
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Annie why are you dragging Israel / settlements etc etc into this ?
Why is Ilhan Omar -a refugee from Somalia so uptight about Isreal ?
There is only one reason ANTI SEMITISM .
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20-07-2019, 08:50 AM
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Although Marx himself was of Jewish origin he was an anti semite .
You said Marxist beliefs are anti semitic. How so? I have never heard this before.
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20-07-2019, 08:53 AM
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Annie why are you dragging Israel / settlements etc etc into this ?
Why is Ilhan Omar -a refugee from Somalia so uptight about Isreal ?
There is only one reason ANTI SEMITISM .
Because Ilhan has said she is against settlements in occupied territories and we are discussing whether her views on the state of Israel are anti semitic. So it is highly relevant in the context of that discussion.

You could also ask why is she so uptight about Saudi arabia, but judging from what you've said in the past you share her views on that subject.
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I don't see a question about Marxism Muddy....
 
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