26-04-2019, 07:58 PM
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Re: Flexible extension???
Originally Posted by Banchory
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As I’ve said before, the EU isn’t perfect but it’s Commission is more transparent and accountable to its Parliament than our Civil Service is to our Parliament If you want to discuss unelected people in power then you should look to our own government with members of the House of Lords being appointed as Ministers and even as Cabinet members. And, although not customary, anyone can theoretically be appointed as a Minister
The “undemocratic EU” sound byte has been debunked many times over the last few years but there are many who are still taken in by it
So you agree with me finally then ... ?
27-04-2019, 05:32 PM
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Re: Flexible extension???
Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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HiI think many of you overestimate the power of the Civil Service.
We have a top down system here in the UK.
The Politicians make the policy decisions and the Civil Service have to implement them.
Published on July 12, 2018
The importance of the counter power of (senior) officials seems to have increased, now that society has become more complex. There are more interests at stake, expectations are high, public opinion is shifting and media want to score. This complexity is reflected in politics and the civil service. Politicians are influenced by the issues of the day, while officials must pay attention to continuity. This makes the fourth power of top officials more important than ever. That is one of the conclusions of the book Haagsche Bazen: top official leadership in Berenschot's perspective.
Senior civil servants offer this counterpower thanks to their substantive expertise, establishing links with the sectors they represent and applying and maintaining continuity in policy. Directors, top managers (to be), but also top officials themselves attach great importance to these three elements, according to the interviews.
You don't think british civil servants stay more in the background?
28-04-2019, 06:48 AM
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Re: Flexible extension???
Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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HiI think many of you overestimate the power of the Civil Service.
We have a top down system here in the UK.
The Politicians make the policy decisions and the Civil Service have to implement them.
28-04-2019, 09:05 AM
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Re: Flexible extension???
Originally Posted by Banchory
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Yes if your position is that the notion the EU is undemocratic has been debunked as that is what I said
No that's not what I said ... your putting words into my mouth now.
Who did you vote for in the commission?
Check out what happened with Marta Andreasen who was the commission's chief accountant.
28-04-2019, 12:53 PM
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Re: Flexible extension???
Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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HiI think many of you overestimate the power of the Civil Service.
We have a top down system here in the UK.
The Politicians make the policy decisions and the Civil Service have to implement them.
Isn't Civil Servant Olly Robbins directing Theresa May during the Brexit negotiations and is ultimately responsible for the terms of her disastrous `Chequers Deal`?
28-04-2019, 01:49 PM
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Re: Flexible extension???
Originally Posted by Judd
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I'm of the opinion that it's more like the `Yes Minister` TV series. The CS make all the decisions and the politicians are there to carry the can (or take the credit) if a particular decision is the wrong one. After all, government continues during parliamentary breaks/holidays and during election campaigns. Isn't Civil Servant Olly Robbins directing Theresa May during the Brexit negotiations and is ultimately responsible for the terms of her disastrous `Chequers Deal`?
28-04-2019, 02:37 PM
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Re: Flexible extension???
Originally Posted by Judd
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I'm of the opinion that it's more like the `Yes Minister` TV series. The CS make all the decisions and the politicians are there to carry the can (or take the credit) if a particular decision is the wrong one. After all, government continues during parliamentary breaks/holidays and during election campaigns. Isn't Civil Servant Olly Robbins directing Theresa May during the Brexit negotiations and is ultimately responsible for the terms of her disastrous `Chequers Deal`?
Certainly, Humphrey Appleby used to run rings around James Hacker and by very clever use of words he effectively made Hacker to exactly what he wanted him to do.
I'm absolutely sure that the same sort of thing really does go on in Westminster.
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