05-07-2018, 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Moscow
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You don't half talk some piffle AnnieWe had a health service long before joining the EEC so to say we won't afford it outwith the EU is Project Fear.
Originally Posted by Moscow
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We also had food in the shops, better schools and there were pensions then as well .
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We built British designed cars , washing machines and many other products.
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Cheaper holidays were the result of a strong pound , new destinations opening up and cheap flights. In fact, you can thank the Fascist General Franco for cheap foreign holidays, not the EEC or the EU.
Originally Posted by Moscow
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They were different times and not really relevant to today.
Originally Posted by Moscow
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There are 10 countries outwith the EU for every 1 that's in it. They manage to crack on just fine in this global interdependant trading scenario you fear so much.
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Our current wealth is DESPITE the EU......not because of it.
Originally Posted by Moscow
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There is no need to 'crash out' of the EU.
Originally Posted by Moscow
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We simply need to honour the wishes of the electorate and leave the EU in a negotiated and agreeable fashion.
Originally Posted by Moscow
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Btw.....the reason we are 'struggling' is because our expectations as a society and as a member of the EU are not deliverable......not without some other poor ****er somewhere else on the planet losing out......That's what kind of world you are investing in......Ever truly thought through how the West has so much wealth to squander?
As far as accumulation of wealth is concerned, there is far more efficiency and mutual benefit (from the richest to the poorest) to be gained through international co-operation than through national isolation and withdrawal. Some here would like us to be Cuba or Venezuela.
05-07-2018, 11:49 PM
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HiAnnie has made one very valid point.
Leaving the EU is not to going to resolve one major issue that we have, which is our Politicians, of whatever variety.
In the midst of the biggest change in decades we have a senior Tory Minister saying "F**K Business" and a prat on the other side putting up a Trump Baby Balloon.
Absolutely stupid, in both cases.
We need to attract business and not annoy the President of the largest economy in the world with whom we are hoping for a quick Trade Deal.
06-07-2018, 12:22 AM
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Re: Why Won't You Walk Away, Mrs May?
Originally Posted by JBR
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Really? Why? Can you justify that statement?
06-07-2018, 05:11 AM
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Re: Why Won't You Walk Away, Mrs May?
Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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HiAnnie has made one very valid point.
Leaving the EU is not to going to resolve one major issue that we have, which is our Politicians, of whatever variety.
In the midst of the biggest change in decades we have a senior Tory Minister saying "F**K Business" and a prat on the other side putting up a Trump Baby Balloon.
Absolutely stupid, in both cases.
We need to attract business and not annoy the President of the largest economy in the world with whom we are hoping for a quick Trade Deal.
06-07-2018, 05:51 AM
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Re: Why Won't You Walk Away, Mrs May?
Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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HiThey are not, they have offered a Free Trade Deal.
The thing they have not done is offer access to the Single Market, a completely different thing.
06-07-2018, 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by AnnieS
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It's incomparable. The NHS cost a tiny fraction of the amount it does now prior to the EEC/EU. We now have an expanding ageing population living with chronic conditions. New technologies, cures, drugs, treatments all cost money. That's to do with demographics not the EU. That would be the case in or out of the EU. You aren't making any point relevant to our membership of the EU. You say costs in the NHS are out of control. I don't disagree.
ref pensions see my first statement above. What does schooling have to do with the EU? It's always been under our control. Yes we have always had food. But not the amazing choice, variety and low cost food we have now.
The point re: education was to illustrate that your attempt to paint everything in the 70's as bad is inherently false. The food choice / variety point you make is irrelevant to EU membership.
They were very expensive and had little in the way of aftercare/customer service. Repair businesses made a fortune because nobody could afford to buy a replacement.
Nothing to do ith EU membership and more to do with available technology wich improved thanks to microchip technology
Cheaper holidays are the result of low cost airlines. Such arrangements require international agreements and cooperation. You also have visa-free travel in the EU. As well as data roaming & cheap phone calls.
I already told you how cheap foreign holidays developed. Look it up. It was improvements in passenger carrying aircraft and the opening up of the Spanish Costas by Franco........Nothing to do with the EU. All the EU have done, as with everything, is create extra regulations to cream off cash for itself.
Visa free travel and data roaming is just fluff that is not worth selling your soul to the devil for
Totally agree. People keep forgetting that when they keep referring back to that time. Yet pro-leave voters constantly bring it up as some wonderful time.
That's the sort of meaningless comment that discredits your alleged intelligence
Which countries are in the same position we are proposing to be in by crashing out?
Please expand on that statement with facts.
I totally agree. I cannot understand why it's being championed as a preferred option by many.
Something we agree on and hasn't been resolved yet, yet you speak as if it's fact.
I am part of the electorate. I expect my wishes for a stable economy & business as usual, rather than economic chaos and a shambolic infrastructure, to be honoured too.
In our democracy the winning side in an election sets the agenda. You signed up to that when you cast your vote. You didn't abstain or protest before the referendum and you thought you would win and would have expected the Leave side to respect the result.
Your wishes regarding the economy may or may not be realised. We don't know the future. However......none of that was on the ballot paper. All I saw was a question about continued membership of the EU.
Our expectations as a society outside the EU are no more deliverable than inside the EU. This is because all the stuff people are unhappy about is already within the control of the Government. The Government will still be governing after Brexit. I'm not sure why people think it will somehow be a better Government.
As far as accumulation of wealth is concerned, there is far more efficiency and mutual benefit (from the richest to the poorest) to be gained through international co-operation than through national isolation and withdrawal. Some here would like us to be Cuba or Venezuela.
All the 'stuff' people are unhappy about is better managed outside the EU. If the Gov't , post Brexit, is not to your satisfaction you have the power at the ballot box to elect a different Gov't. We never had that with the EU. The commissioners are not elected. You cannot change them through the ballot box.
06-07-2018, 09:26 AM
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You're a bit all over the place in the points you are making Moscow so it's pretty difficult to respond to that last post, but I note you haven't answered my two questions as to which of the ten countries outside the EU are in the same position we would be if we crashed out and how our current wealth is despite the EU.This thread is championing crashing out so that's why we are discussing it as if it's fact.
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