28-08-2019, 07:50 PM
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Re: What if Scotland got their independence?
Originally Posted by Roxy
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It wasn't a massive win for independence things may change in another vote... May not, have to wait n see. As for the EU, again it wasn't a massive difference to stay. A hell of a lot of us want to leave the UK but certainly do not want to return to the EU.It's anybodies guess as to what the future holds for all four parts of the Union, it may hold on and again it may blow apart.
28-08-2019, 09:36 PM
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Re: What if Scotland got their independence?
Originally Posted by Annette
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Sturgeon says shutting parliament 'is not democracy, it's dictatorship'Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon says PM Boris Johnson's move to shut parliament was undemocratic.
She told the BBC: “This is absolutely outrageous. Shutting down parliament in order to force through a no-deal Brexit - which will do untold and lasting damage to the country against the wishes of MPs - is not democracy, it is dictatorship.
“If MPs don't come together next week to stop Boris Johnson in his tracks, then I think today will go down in history as the day UK democracy died. This simply can't be allowed to happen."
Guess that is the next step towards Scotlands independance.
29-08-2019, 08:29 AM
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Re: What if Scotland got their independence?
Originally Posted by OldGreyFox
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UK democracy died the day 17.5 million peoples votes to leave the EU was ignored...
29-08-2019, 08:33 AM
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Re: What if Scotland got their independence?
Originally Posted by Ray Cathode
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Absolutely right OGF, but it was wounded when the SNP lost their "once in a generation referendum" then carried on as before.
29-08-2019, 08:48 AM
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Re: What if Scotland got their independence?
Originally Posted by weedeek
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But the UK is leaving, the argument now is how it leaves. You want a no deal, which is fair enough, but I find it hard to believe that all 17.5M share that view. Surely those who would prefer a deal should be respected too, that’s what democracy is all about.
It made and makes absolutely no sense to give the other party the advantage of obtaining what they want as an encumbrance to getting what you can take simply by declaring what you are going to do.
It also means that the other guy can use it as leverage in getting the best of any deal for him.
It has been the negotiations of insanity.
My guess is that Theresa May and the 1922 Committee acting as her puppetmeister were playing it long in order for what they believed would be a change in opinion due to a changed demography (older people who were pro BREXIT dying) and then a second referendum which the THOUGHT would reverse the result.
This whole thing could have been avoided if that incredibly STUPID woman had simply invoked article 50 the moment that the referendum result was known.
Moreover democracy is "all about" a decision based on a majority unless a precondition was in place such as requiring a two thirds majority or some such.
In this case it was not. It was a simple majority.
29-08-2019, 09:04 AM
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Re: What if Scotland got their independence?
Originally Posted by The Artful Todger
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So negotiate all deals after BREXIT. That is what should have been the strategy from day #1.It made and makes absolutely no sense to give the other party the advantage of obtaining what they want as an encumbrance to getting what you can take simply by declaring what you are going to do.
It also means that the other guy can use it as leverage in getting the best of any deal for him.
It has been the negotiations of insanity.
My guess is that Theresa May and the 1922 Committee acting as her puppetmeister were playing it long in order for what they believed would be a change in opinion due to a changed demography (older people who were pro BREXIT dying) and then a second referendum which the THOUGHT would reverse the result.
This whole thing could have been avoided if that incredibly STUPID woman had simply invoked article 50 the moment that the referendum result was known.
Moreover democracy is "all about" a decision based on a majority unless a precondition was in place such as requiring a two thirds majority or some such.
In this case it was not. It was a simple majority.
29-08-2019, 09:20 AM
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Re: What if Scotland got their independence?
Originally Posted by weedeek
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We’re on different sides but I see where your coming from and certainly understand your view on what democracy is “all about”. However, surely to invoke article 50 immediately after the vote would have led to complete anarchy at the borders etc.
Article 50 included provision for a 2 year period while arrangements were made in order to tidy things up prior to the final departure.
This has been turned into a pissing contest by the European Commission trying to get the best outcome for them and the worst for us.
Firstly there was a maximum of two years, secondly it was intended just to ensure that the break didn't result in a gross mess, and thirdly there always has been a set of measures of last resort to give a defacto safety net.
The whole mess is down to deliberate obstruction by the singularly useless Theresa May cabal.
29-08-2019, 09:40 AM
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Re: What if Scotland got their independence?
Originally Posted by The Artful Todger
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No. Article 50 was the formal advice to the European Commission that Britain was going to quit the EU.Article 50 included provision for a 2 year period while arrangements were made in order to tidy things up prior to the final departure.
This has been turned into a pissing contest by the European Commission trying to get the best outcome for them and the worst for us.
Firstly there was a maximum of two years, secondly it was intended just to ensure that the break didn't result in a gross mess, and thirdly there always has been a set of measures of last resort to give a defacto safety net.
The whole mess is down to deliberate obstruction by the singularly useless Theresa May cabal.
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