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18-10-2020, 06:02 PM
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You should recognise such a text. Brexiters have been producing them for five years.
We can agree our budgets.
Your beloved EU are incapable of reaching agreement among the bunch of 27 disparate power-hungry countries.
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Indeed - and things have moved on since then.
Not in a good way (for the EU) either.

European Parliament budget negotiators walked out because (surprise) the Council didn't seem to want to reach an agreement (does that sound familiar?) .
Germany tried dangling a carrot in vain hopes that a bit of dosh would do the trick - and Poland reacted by saying it would veto the budget because they were being blackmailed into agreement!

This is for a budget due to cover the period 2021 to 2027, so starting within mere months, remember.
The UK leaving the EU is already having a major negative impact for the EU.


https://www.euractiv.com/section/eco...-negotiations/

https://abcnews.go.com/International...kmail-73584379

https://www.ft.com/content/c8db5629-...c-ad6673306dc2
In 2013 very similar tribulations over the mff 2014-2020, but ultimately they have to agree with each other. And they always do, ever since the 195o's.
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Originally Posted by Solasch ->
In 2013 very similar tribulations over the mff 2014-2020, but ultimately they have to agree with each other. And they always do, ever since the 195o's.
No they weren't - there are months to go, Solasch.
Months.
Persuade Poland in those few months if you think you can.


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18-10-2020, 06:17 PM
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No they weren't - there are months to go, Solasch.
Months.
Persuade poland in those few months if you think you can.


https://abcnews.go.com/International...kmail-73584379
You should check fact before making uninformed statements, son. It would improve your standing.

European Union leaders agree €34.4bn (£29bn) cut over next seven years after 25-hour discussions likened to 'a bazaar' https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...et-night-talks

David Cameron blasts EU as budget summit ends without a deal
https://www.theguardian.com/business...summit-cameron
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18-10-2020, 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Solasch ->
You should check fact before making uninformed statements, son. It would improve your standing.

European Union leaders agree €34.4bn (£29bn) cut over next seven years after 25-hour discussions likened to 'a bazaar' https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...et-night-talks

David Cameron blasts EU as budget summit ends without a deal
https://www.theguardian.com/business...summit-cameron
You need to understand events - and AGAIN please stop with the insults; it is the hallmark of one who has lost the argument.


I have posted the most recent timeline WITH LINKS which to remind you is as follows:
European Parliament budget negotiators walked out because (surprise) the Council didn't seem to want to reach an agreement (does that sound familiar?) .
Germany tried dangling a carrot in vain hopes that a bit of dosh would do the trick - and Poland reacted by saying it would veto the budget because they were being blackmailed into agreement!
Result: payments to budget not yet agreed.

It's not difficult to understand.

Again
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18-10-2020, 06:29 PM
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I find it most amusing that you think likening EU budget tals to "a bazaar" are somehow giving a good impression of the EU to the larger world.
It isn't; it is showing the EU to be the disparate power-grabbing bunch they are and nothing more.
But hey, if that's your thing . . . . .
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18-10-2020, 06:41 PM
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https://facts4eu.org/news/2020_sep_brexit_britain_soars


Facts4EU.Org presents the last 10 years of the UK’s global success, and the EU’s failures

UK's exports to the Rest of the World are far outpacing those to the EU

In 2019 the UK’s goods exports to the non-EU world soared by 14.1%
By sad contrast the UK’s goods exports to the EU27 fell by 1.2%

In the last 10 years, the EU has profited more and more from its "Treasure Island"

10 years of a success story for the UK, with the non-EU trade balance improving by 33%

10 years of a sad story for our EU membership, with the UK’s trade defIcit with the EU more than doubling

Last year the EU27 ‘made a profit’ of over £95bn on its goods trade with the UK (exports minus imports)

How do goods exports affect our economy?

Brexit Facts4EU.Org recently published the data on how our goods exports affect the UK’s economy. The facts are that goods exports are a small part, because of the UK’s strong services sector which dominates by a factor of almost 4:1.

Nevertheless our goods exports to the rest of the world are becoming increasingly significant. Below we show just one part of our research, which demonstrates clearly how the rest of the (non-EU) world is of far more importance to the UK’s GDP, and how its influence is growing.

Trade deals

In 60 years the EU has never managed to negotiate a trade deal with the largest economy on the planet : the United States. It has no trade deal with the second-largest economy: China.

In that same 60 years the EU has only just managed to do a deal (still not ratified) with the world’s third-largest economy: Japan. The United Kingdom Government managed this is in just eight months since leaving the EU (in name only) on 01 February 2020.

Trade deals are not required to do trade, but they can help. The vast majority of the world’s economies and businesses trade with the EU without a trade deal. No Single Market, no Freedom of Movement, no massive annual payments, no Level Playing Field, no Northern Ireland Protocol, nothing. Just normal WTO rules.

The myth of the EU's Single Market and Customs Union

At present, UK companies can sell their goods to EU27 countries with no tariffs. The EU's Customs Union is supposedly a tariff-free zone for EU members. The Single Market supposedly imposes common standards. These are facts which were lauded by all those who campaigned for Remain in the EU Referendum of 2016 and ever since.

A simple question must therefore be asked. If the EU's Single Market and Customs Union are so essential to be a part of, why have the UK's sales outside the EU increased by 14.1%, when the UK's sales to the EU have fallen by 1.2%?
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18-10-2020, 07:22 PM
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Having waited all my adult life for the chance get UK out of Europe, passionately believe our exit from EU will revitalise our country.
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18-10-2020, 08:30 PM
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Having waited all my adult life for the chance get UK out of Europe, passionately believe our exit from EU will revitalise our country.
I have no doubt it will, just as it has done for you. You really seem to be bubbling.
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Having waited all my adult life for the chance get UK out of Europe, passionately believe our exit from EU will revitalise our country.
For a start we won't have mutualised debt to pay off, we won't have their new carbon border taxes or their green deal taxation agenda crippling businesses.

The EU is a complete mess - it has been for decades.
 
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