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06-10-2020, 03:42 PM
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Re: Time for Ireland to Grow Up?

Originally Posted by Tedc ->
Hopefully, this will mean that all the "Travellers" will now be able to bypass the UK and go straight to the EU!

What a bonus that will be!

Originally Posted by JBR ->
Yes, I'd be all in favour of giving them free passage to Europe, but they'd have to have a police escort to make sure they don't stop anywhere on the way.
I'm in favour of that too.

Regarding that super-RORO ferry, it will only succeed if, and only if, it is faster than using the so-called UK land-bridge in getting trucks to and from mainland Europe and/or it is much lower cost overall.
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06-10-2020, 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Percy Vere ->
I'm in favour of that too.

Regarding that super-RORO ferry, it will only succeed if, and only if, it is faster than using the so-called UK land-bridge in getting trucks to and from mainland Europe and/or it is much lower cost overall.
That won't be difficult to achieve, a border around kent, passports to enter, car parks for trucks etc.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ministers-warn
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Originally Posted by Solasch ->
That won't be difficult to achieve, a border around kent, passports to enter, car parks for trucks etc.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ministers-warn
You really do need to stop paying attention to pro-EU-biased UK media that wrongly reports things like this:
"UK refuses to restart Brexit talks despite EU accepting its demands"
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ntensify-talks

No, Guardian, the EU have not accepted Uk "demands" to recognize our independence.
That is why Boris & Gove are telling you that until the EU accepts our independence there will be no more Brexit talks - and that if they do not agree a deal before we leave we will not be negotiating after.


As for Ireland, read what matters - from Ireland.
From "Brexit - An Irish Guide" comes this:
"the changes required to manage east-west trade flows in a no deal Brexit scenario will require a concerted response from the EU ...."
That is pretty clear.
What a shame it is that the EU look like ignoring Ireland.


http://brexitlegal.ie/tranport/
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19-10-2020, 07:41 PM
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The Guardian .... it should be renamed "The Kensington Gazette"
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The Guardian .... it should be renamed "The Kensington Gazette"
Every paper has its bias. Doesn't deter from simple facts.
Deal or no deal, troubles at the dover harbour and in kent. Ireland has estimated the degree of help it will get from britain. It build brexit buster ferries.
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21-10-2020, 09:40 AM
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Every paper has its bias. Doesn't deter from simple facts.
Deal or no deal, troubles at the dover harbour and in kent. Ireland has estimated the degree of help it will get from britain. It build brexit buster ferries.
The simple "fact" is that it is all speculation and there are no facts involved.


You're ignoring the obvious: there aren't any queues.
Are there?
So if leaving the EU causes queues it is very obviously the EU causing them since we do not have queues from the over-half of all our international trade that comes from outside the EU, do we?
Where are the queues at Portsmouth which is the UK's 2nd-largest container port, with goods from around the world?
Where are the queues at Liverpool?
At Hull & Immingham?

Now ask yourself why there are no queues, and then ask why there should then be queues from EU-sourced trade?

The most-simple response therefore qould be that if sourcing goods from the EU becomes a problem, don't source from the EU.
Source from elsewhere in the world.

There are ways.
In days before the EEC we sourced fresh fruit & veg from Israel for example; if we could do that in those days you can't seriously suggest that doing so these days isn't possible - and North Africa for example is far closer.
I'm sure there are countries who would LOVE to bid for business.
Betcha any money that the majors like Sainsbury's, Tesco etc. have looked into it in preparation.
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21-10-2020, 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Zaphod ->
The simple "fact" is that it is all speculation and there are no facts involved.


You're ignoring the obvious: there aren't any queues.
Are there?
So if leaving the EU causes queues it is very obviously the EU causing them since we do not have queues from the over-half of all our international trade that comes from outside the EU, do we?
Where are the queues at Portsmouth which is the UK's 2nd-largest container port, with goods from around the world?
Where are the queues at Liverpool?
At Hull & Immingham?

Now ask yourself why there are no queues, and then ask why there should then be queues from EU-sourced trade?

The most-simple response therefore qould be that if sourcing goods from the EU becomes a problem, don't source from the EU.
Source from elsewhere in the world.

There are ways.
In days before the EEC we sourced fresh fruit & veg from Israel for example; if we could do that in those days you can't seriously suggest that doing so these days isn't possible - and North Africa for example is far closer.
I'm sure there are countries who would LOVE to bid for business.
Betcha any money that the majors like Sainsbury's, Tesco etc. have looked into it in preparation.
Absolutely.

I have no idea why some people seem to think that we are reliant on imports from EU countries.

I don't particularly look at food packaging in the supermarket (except for avoiding anything French, of course), and so I have no doubt been eating some EU products. Many, as far as I know, don't even state the country of origin: meat, fish, milk, etc.

The point is that I believe you are right. Supermarkets and other importers will continue to source food from all over the world at competitive prices, even from the EU - if they can compete.

Cars? Well, as I have said, we'd like to buy another VW Golf as we think it's an excellent car. If the price is right, and I suspect that the company won't give up on the UK market without a fight and, hopefully, will attempt to cover the increase in prices due to tariffs.
If not, well there are other options from non-EU countries.
I'd certainly never buy a French car. That isn't purely because I dislike the French; to be honest, any French cars I have seen all seem to be rather strange in one way or another.
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21-10-2020, 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by JBR ->
Absolutely.

I have no idea why some people seem to think that we are reliant on imports from EU countries.

I don't particularly look at food packaging in the supermarket (except for avoiding anything French, of course), and so I have no doubt been eating some EU products. Many, as far as I know, don't even state the country of origin: meat, fish, milk, etc.

The point is that I believe you are right. Supermarkets and other importers will continue to source food from all over the world at competitive prices, even from the EU - if they can compete.

Cars? Well, as I have said, we'd like to buy another VW Golf as we think it's an excellent car. If the price is right, and I suspect that the company won't give up on the UK market without a fight and, hopefully, will attempt to cover the increase in prices due to tariffs.
If not, well there are other options from non-EU countries.
I'd certainly never buy a French car. That isn't purely because I dislike the French; to be honest, any French cars I have seen all seem to be rather strange in one way or another.
Spot on JBR !

Eliminating 60% of our import tariffs will soon sort out our supply chain, especially when we no longer have to obey the stupid single market rules.

10% tariffs on Merkels cars though .... ouch !

(Queue the outrage about chlorinated chicken )
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21-10-2020, 12:03 PM
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Hi

There sre no queues at the Channel Ports as we are part of the Single Market and Customs union at the moment, so no checks.

We leave on 31st December so from then on there will be paperwork and checks.
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We are talking about more than 10,000 RoRos a day

They tend to bring in non EU goods, which have journey times so the paperwork can be done en route.

When unloaded the containers are stacked and do not leave the secure area until everything has been checked.

Hence the relative lack of queues.

There is a huge difference between container traffic and RoRo.

The list of UK Tariffs is here

https://www.check-future-uk-trade-ta....gov.uk/tariff
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21-10-2020, 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by swimfeeders ->
Hi

There sre no queues at the Channel Ports as we are part of the Single Market and Customs union at the moment, so no checks.

We leave on 31st December so from then on there will be paperwork and checks.
.
We are talking about more than 10,000 RoRos a day

They tend to bring in non EU goods, which have journey times so the paperwork can be done en route.

When unloaded the containers are stacked and do not leave the secure area until everything has been checked.

Hence the relative lack of queues.

There is a huge difference between container traffic and RoRo.

The list of UK Tariffs is here

https://www.check-future-uk-trade-ta....gov.uk/tariff
With respect:

You've answered none of the issues, and why include a list of tariffs when that is irrelevant to the discussion?
You're just sending us round in circles.


Again (because this has been asked and not realy satisfactorily been considered), IF the EU continue in their beligerence and it becomes necessary for the UK to check EU-sourced shipments (be they ro-ro or containerised) will the Irish - who rely on this method of transpost - be happy do you think?*


And again, do you think that the UK could not source produce globally for vest swathes of formerly-EU-sourced produce?

Also, the only imports seeing problems would be those from the EU.
Surely then these would be the imports most liable to be changed to global imports?


*
Until - oh, 12 years ago - I lived in Southwest Scotland and saw the number of Irish trucks heading to and fro from Stranraer.
It would take one heck of a lot for Ireland to solve the difficulties of not passing through the mainland of UK without significantly increasing their costs of transport.
Which means the cost of Many Irish goods would increase - in both directions; import and export.
Do you think the Irish will be okay with that?
 
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