26-12-2018, 02:19 PM
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Well I was too young to vote first time round and felt I had my future squandered so they can join the club on that one. If they failed to vote and had a legal vote they should stop shouting at those who did and feel thoroughly ashamed of themselves for being too late to make their cross.If we voted again I've heard many remainers say they are so annoyed at how EU are treating us they'd vote out now too.
So no one can guarantee it would be changed at all.
26-12-2018, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Julie1962
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Well I was too young to vote first time round and felt I had my future squandered so they can join the club on that one. If they failed to vote and had a legal vote they should stop shouting at those who did and feel thoroughly ashamed of themselves for being too late to make their cross. If we voted again I've heard many remainers say they are so annoyed at how EU are treating us they'd vote out now too.
So no one can guarantee it would be changed at all.
26-12-2018, 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Solasch
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It was mainly young people not turning up (getting out of beds) to vote. They now turn up in marches. Too late they realised their future had been squandered by a bunch of old people who are incapable of relinquishing their dreams of the past.
My children were 28 & 30 on the day of the Referendum, so although they were not teenagers, we might reasonably call them young people
They both voted Leave - and without any influence from myself, as they had both left home by them
Also at the time my daughter had a BA & MA in History (and subsequently gained her PhD). As she put it later -
Everyone has had a go at ruling all of Europe, from the Romans to Napoleon to the Nazis, and it just can't be done. They do not understand, or are unwilling to accept, that the people are different. Any large empire is too unwieldy, and eventually breaks up; think of the Austro Hungarian Empire; Imperial Russia, or the USSR, though you can postpone that with increasingly stricter controls
Yes you can have trading agreements, and yes you can have military alliances, but a central controlling authority just does not work
26-12-2018, 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by zuludog
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Is there anyone else out there who's getting tired of these sort of insults?My children were 28 & 30 on the day of the Referendum, so although they were not teenagers, we might reasonably call them young people
They both voted Leave - and without any influence from myself, as they had both left home by them
Also at the time my daughter had a BA & MA in History (and subsequently gained her PhD). As she put it later -
Everyone has had a go at ruling all of Europe, from the Romans to Napoleon to the Nazis, and it just can't be done. They do not understand, or are unwilling to accept, that the people are different. Any large empire is too unwieldy, and eventually breaks up; think of the Austro Hungarian Empire; Imperial Russia, or the USSR, though you can postpone that with increasingly stricter controls
Yes you can have trading agreements, and yes you can have military alliances, but a central controlling authority just does not work
Originally Posted by Purwell
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I can see plenty of insults heading at those of us who voted to remain so stop crying and live with it.
26-12-2018, 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by zuludog
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Is there anyone else out there who's getting tired of these sort of insults?
I simply ignore trolls.
Perhaps they take care not to exceed the forum rules by too much, and so remain free to continue their pathetic insults.
So the best thing we can do is to ignore them, and I encourage others to do the same.
Trolls feed on reactions. Don't feed them.
26-12-2018, 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by zuludog
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Everyone has had a go at ruling all of Europe, from the Romans to Napoleon to the Nazis, and it just can't be done. They do not understand, or are unwilling to accept, that the people are different. Any large empire is too unwieldy, and eventually breaks up; think of the Austro Hungarian Empire; Imperial Russia, or the USSR, though you can postpone that with increasingly stricter controlsYes you can have trading agreements, and yes you can have military alliances, but a central controlling authority just does not work
The EU is destined to fall, as has every previous empire.
We could just wait, but those who remain at the fall will be liable to pay for their mistakes. We must not be one of them.
26-12-2018, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by zuludog
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Also at the time my daughter had a BA & MA in History (and subsequently gained her PhD). As she put it later -
Everyone has had a go at ruling all of Europe, from the Romans to Napoleon to the Nazis, and it just can't be done. They do not understand, or are unwilling to accept, that the people are different. Any large empire is too unwieldy, and eventually breaks up; think of the Austro Hungarian Empire; Imperial Russia, or the USSR, though you can postpone that with increasingly stricter controls
Yes you can have trading agreements, and yes you can have military alliances, but a central controlling authority just does not work
If your daughter is worth her PhD she knows the EU (and its predecessors )was formed to prevent a repetition of wars within europe. If she is right we are destined to among another and history repeats itself. But the way to prevent repetition is to learn, so the EU was formed. Hasn't she learned that lesson?
Former Yugoslavia proves that differing people are easily set up to fight. Since all parties are members of the EU peace prevails.
But now the UK splits the EU. History may recal brexit as the start of WW 3.
26-12-2018, 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Solasch
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If your daughter is worth her PhD she knows the EU (and its predecessors )was formed to prevent a repetition of wars within europe. If she is right we are destined to among another and history repeats itself. But the way to prevent repetition is to learn, so the EU was formed. Hasn't she learned that lesson?Former Yugoslavia proves that differing people are easily set up to fight. Since all parties are members of the EU peace prevails.
But now the UK splits the EU. History may recal brexit as the start of WW 3.
Where were the EU member states in the Bosnia conflict ?
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