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And that trade is facilitated by the trade deals and agreements we are party to as a member of the EU

Every scenario of leaving the EU will leave us poorer with less important on the world stage and as Liam Fox has discovered unable to get as advantageous trade deals as the Eu

Why do you want this to happen to the UK? Particularly when most of the grievances leavers on this forum have espoused are our own domestic problems and nothing to do with the EU

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Leavers keep going on about the 17.4M that voted leave. That represents only 37% of the total electorate. Leavers should remember the 16.2M who voted remain, the 13M who didn’t vote at all, the 2M 18-24 year olds unable to vote partly due to a change in registration rules. Add to that remain won the majority of votes in Northen Ireland and every voting area in Scotland voted remain. Throw in the blatant lies that have been exposed on both sides and the confusion around advisory and binding referendums, I would like to see the following:
- a second referendum with two options, remain and any compromise deal Westminster can come up with.
- the referendum is declared binding.
- this time a bar is set at 51% of the TOTAL electorate must vote for such a fundamental change now or in the future. There is precedent for this. the referendums for devolved assemblies in Scotland and Wales in 1979 set the bar at 40% of the total electorate. Other European democracies use this system and set the bar at 50%.
- If the UK was really a union of equals as it was originally promised, then the member nations should have the right of veto. EU members have this right, some of whom are smaller than Scotland. I would remind some people that the DUP are a minority party in NI yet seem to have been able to veto TMs deal.
There you go.

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We trade 60% outside the EU - only 40% within it and that figure is shrinking every year. The UK has no choice but to trade under the agreements made with Brussels, so what benefits Germany and France come first, everyone else is further down the line. How on earth is this an optimal economic model and considering we have to pay a net figure of about 10 billion a year for what is supposed to be a "free trade arrangement" ... it just illustrates the complete failure that the common market has become.

Even if we were subject to the average 4% common external tariff by the EU if we left on WTO terms it would cost us around 6 billion a year in tariffs - saving us about 4 billion straight off the bat. On top of that we can create our own trade deals with other countries, such as Japan, Singapore Canada, USA and the Commonwealth that benefit Britain - not Germany and France.

How on earth can you say that staying in the EU is the best thing for Britain ?

P.S For the hundredth time we cannot make a trade deal with another country while we are a member state.

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Hi

I doesn't quite work like that.

Services are our biggest earner with the EU, no Single Market, no Services.

That is why companies are setting up branches in the EU, the tax will be payable there, not here in the UK.

People argue about the figures, but it will be a loss of £Billions.

We can roll over our Trade Deals we have as part of the EU.

The EU have already agreed to that and that they come into force on the day we leave.

These deals are huge, and account for a proportion of the 60% of our Exports outside the EU.

We have failed to roll over 80% of them.

The Countries involved do not want to give us the same terms.

None of the above is a reason not to leave, but we will not be better off by doing so.

The amount of money we lose and how long before we can replace it with new Trade Deals depends on the skill and ability of our Politicians.

Recent events have shown that they have, little, if any, of either.

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Theres no tariffs on services .... but nice to see you finally agreeing with me about rolling over our trade deals

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So the rest of Swims post is correct then????

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A very thoughtful and well set out post.

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All the same repetitive tripe on this forum.

Project Fear continues, albeit sometimes pretending to be something else.

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Depends which way you look at it.

Take the top15 countries we trade with ... it's about 60% outside the EU and 40% inside the EU.

Then look at the top country we trade with - USA which is not in the EU and has no trade deal with the EU.

Then look at the countries in the top 15 and you find only around 50% have a FTA with the EU - the rest don't.

So when you think about it, the UK could have an FTA with the EU and also with Japan, Singapore, Canada and USA.

We would be in a much better trading position that the EU ever would be.

Then agree trading relationships with the rest of the world such as the Commonwealth etc.

Ofcourse Liam Fox hasn't made any trade deals because .... we can't do that as a member state - we have to leave the EU first. That will be about 101 times I've told you that. I guess I can't make you understand if your unable to.

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I know

One the thing I've learned is that remainers can't decide between themselves what they want from the EU. They can't agree if they want the Euro or not, or if they want a European army or not or if they want an FTA with the USA or China etc or not. Or if they want a tax union (or not) etc.

They aren't very united at all.