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Originally Posted by Solasch ->
You could introduce an electoral threshold. If less than 60% of those entitled to vote are bothered to vote, it obviously it is not something to make a choice over.
No because what happens if its 61% leave ? Besides we already have a system in place = the most votes wins

We already voted. Leave won now we should leave.
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Look at it another way ... nearly 70% of Conservative constituencies voted leave and nearly 60% of labour.

Take London out of the equation and its a massive majority for leave
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The majority is of the people that voted. Thats what a majority is... in any vote.

Besides, we already triggered Article 50 why do we need another referendum that's legally binding ?

Doesn't make sense other than to try and overturn the result of the first referendum.
Article 50 can be revoked. Circumstances have changed. If the result is overturned it’s because voters changed their minds, democracy allows that. A binding referendum ends the argument either way. The rise of the right in the Tory party and the likes of Nigel Farage new party may well result in leave winning again. So be it, as long as voters have more idea of what they are voting for and the binding nature of the result.
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But you'll never get a 100% turnout, Australia can't even manage that with compulsory voting. Glad to see you coming round to respecting the vote of the 52% majority though, well within your parameters.
It isn't. Weedeek's 50.1% conerns the total population entitled to vote. Your 52% equals only 37% of the total, meaning the 2016 referendum doesn't meet the requirements.
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I’m not assuming that at all. I’m just saying there are ways to get rid of all the ambiguity. If you can’t agree with the 50.1% idea at least consider making it clear that this would be a binding result based on what we know now. Leave may well win again and that would be the end of it.
All well and good but I assumed that the last result would be binding otherwise I wouldn't have bothered.

If there was a second referendum, my guess is that remain would win, not because leavers have changed their minds on leaving Europe but because they no longer believe it's worth voting, so the result would be for all the wrong reasons.
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17-04-2019, 12:41 PM
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No because what happens if its 61% leave ? Besides we already have a system in place = the most votes wins

We already voted. Leave won now we should leave.
I see where your reasoning goes wild. In the case of the 30 mln voters in the UK it would mean that 60% = 24 mln should have voted. If the turn-out is lower, the referendum would be non valid.
The 2016 referendum easily meets that criterium.
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Maybe we should have a second referendum on the Welsh assembly because that was won by a much closer margin that Brexit and that wasn't legally binding either.
Good point. I’m well aware that would apply to the Scottish vote too.
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Article 50 can be revoked. Circumstances have changed. If the result is overturned it’s because voters changed their minds, democracy allows that. A binding referendum ends the argument either way. The rise of the right in the Tory party and the likes of Nigel Farage new party may well result in leave winning again. So be it, as long as voters have more idea of what they are voting for and the binding nature of the result.
That's not true.

We can revoke article 50 for sure - but why would we ? We voted to leave and the government said they would implement the result.

It's yesterdays arguments over and over ...
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Originally Posted by Longdogs ->
If there was a second referendum, my guess is that remain would win, not because leavers have changed their minds on leaving Europe but because they no longer believe it's worth voting, so the result would be for all the wrong reasons.
All the more reason to go voting!
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Re: Second Referendum etc.

Originally Posted by Bread ->
Maybe we should have a second referendum on the Welsh assembly because that was won by a much closer margin that Brexit and that wasn't legally binding either.


Maybe we could have a replay between England & Croatia and this time we might get through to the World Cup final.
 
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