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Covid-19: Government plans to spend £100bn on expanding testing to 10 million a day

https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3520

The UK government has drawn up plans to carry out up to 10 million covid-19 tests a day by early next year as part of a huge £100bn expansion of its national testing programme, documents seen by The BMJ show.

The internal correspondence reveals that the government is prepared to almost match what it spends on the NHS in England each year (£130bn) to fund mass testing of the population “to support economic activity and a return to normal life” under its ambitious Operation Moonshot programme.

A briefing memo sent to the first minister and cabinet secretaries in Scotland, seen by The BMJ, says that the UK-wide Moonshot programme is expected to “cost over £100bn to deliver.” If achieved, the programme would allow testing of the entire UK population each week.

Critics have already rounded on the plans as “devoid of any contribution from scientists, clinicians, and public health and testing and screening experts,” and “disregarding the enormous problems with the existing testing and tracing programmes.”
The leaked documents reveal a heavy reliance on the private sector to achieve the mass testing. Firms named are GSK for supplying tests, AstraZeneca for laboratory capacity, and Serco and G4S for logistics and warehousing.

Commenting on the leaked plans, Martin McKee, professor of European public health at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, said they bore the hallmark of a government “whose ambition far exceeds its ability to deliver.”

He said, “This plan transmits unbounded optimism, disregarding the enormous problems with the existing testing and tracing programmes. Worse, it envisages a major role for Deloitte, a company that has presided over many of these problems. It focuses on only one part of the problem, testing, and says nothing about what will happen to those found positive, a particular concern given the low proportion of those who do adhere to advice to isolate—in part because of the lack of support they are offered. What parliamentary scrutiny will there be of a programme that would cost almost as much as the annual budget for the NHS [in England]? However, on the basis of what is presented here, this looks less like Apollo 11, which took Neill Armstrong to the moon successfully, and more like Apollo 13.”
For a government that has yet to produce a track and trace app for a few thousand people despite spending £12m on the project, and that has spent £10bn on the current test and trace scheme, which has rapidly become a shambles, a "Moonshot" may not even make it to the launchpad .....
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For a government that has yet to produce a track and trace app for a few thousand people despite spending £12m on the project, and that has spent £10bn on the current test and trace scheme, which has rapidly become a shambles, a "Moonshot" may not even make it to the launchpad .....
I hope not Omah!
Obviously a flight of fancy ?
Somebody needs to pull back on Boris's reins ??

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The cow jumped over the moon more like. The little boys were certainly laughing in Parliament today.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54101546

Just how realistic is that plan to test vast numbers of people regularly and very quickly?

The plan involves increasing current testing alongside developing new, rapid tests. Some are swab tests of the nose and throat, others tests of saliva from spit in a pot. What they have in common is the results can be processed on the spot, without the need to send tests away to a laboratory. But the technology the new tests are based on has not been proven to work yet.

Dr Nathalie MacDermott, infectious diseases expert from King's College London, says the idea of a rapid test is feasible but "we don't know how accurate and sensitive they are yet". And then there are the logistics of getting them to people and collating the results. "Tests could be organised by workplaces and schools," she says. "But then you could have queues of people waiting outside for test results." And how would that be managed if 70,000 people wanted to get into a stadium, for example?

Prof David Spiegelhalter, statistician from the University of Cambridge, meanwhile, tells BBC News there is a "huge danger" of false positives - people being a given positive test result when they do not actually have the virus. "Mass screening always seems like a good idea in any disease," he says. But tests are rarely 100% accurate. With a 1% rate of false positives, testing the whole UK population of 60 million would see "600,000 people unnecessarily labelled as positive". And this could create challenges if they and their close contacts had to self-isolate and take time off work or school.

Jenny Harries, deputy chief medical officer for England, admits implementing mass testing would be "quite challenging". Rapid tests are already in the pipeline and could be ready in a "reasonably short time frame", she says. But manufacturing, supplying and distributing these tests would be a major hurdle.

Regular asymptomatic testing has only just started in care homes after many months of the government saying it would happen. Wider testing of people without symptoms isn't always useful unless it's carefully managed, because a negative test result doesn't necessarily mean 'not infectious'. It may just mean someone is in the early stages of infection and the test hasn't detected enough virus to give a positive result.
So, in the short term, mass testing isn't going to happen and, when, in the medium to long term, it does, the results will have to be treated with caution .....

Hopefully, a vaccine will arrive before mass testing takes place - administering that to a whole population will be comparatively easy .....

No "Moonshot" this year ..... or next ..... or maybe ever .....
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Some people with coronavirus symptoms are set to be refused an immediate test in the government's drastic rationing plan, a Health Minister admitted today.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...diate-22697097

Edward Argar confessed plans to "prioritise" Covid-19 tests will mean some sick members of the public are officially forced to wait while others get tested first.

It means people who have coronavirus could see themselves held back for crucial hours or days before finding out whether they have tested positive. That, in turn, will delay efforts to alert their close contacts and tell them to go into isolation.

According to the Telegraph, a priority list to be released within days currently suggests routine testing could be restricted to hospitals, care homes, certain key workers and schools.

The rationing plan, to be confirmed within days, is a massive blow to the government's promises to control the virus through comprehensive testing and tracing.
So, even if you have symptoms, you won't get an immediate test, unless you're near the top of the "eligible" list. If you do manage to arrange a test, it could be days away and miles away.

It's a shambles .....
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Re: Covid-19: Government plans to spend £100bn on expanding testing to 10 million a day

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For a government that has yet to produce a track and trace app for a few thousand people despite spending £12m on the project, and that has spent £10bn on the current test and trace scheme, which has rapidly become a shambles, a "Moonshot" may not even make it to the launchpad .....
I would imagine that, owing to the recent change in circumstances (the total collapse of the government's anti-virus measures). the "Moonshot" never even made it to the drawing board .....
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Coronavirus: £100bn budget for Operation Moonshot dumped as project swallowed up by Dido Harding’s Test and Trace

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b1221920.html

Boris Johnson’s Operation Moonshot coronavirus scheme has been quietly swallowed up into the NHS Test and Trace system and the government has abandoned plans to spend £100bn on the ambitious plan for mass testing of millions of Britons, new papers have revealed.

The prime minister has presented Operation Moonshot as the key to allowing a return to normal life, by issuing freedom passes to people with negative results from 20-minute rapid-turnaround tests.
A leaked letter last month stated that 6 million tests were expected to be provided each day in a programme - believed to be driven by the PM’s top aide Dominic Cummings - which would “cost over £100bn to deliver” and that plans were already in place for 3 million by December.

But a letter from government lawyers has now revealed that the operation has been “subsumed” into the widely-criticised NHS Test and Trace programme led by Baroness Dido Harding, which is currently testing around 280,000 people a day with a target to increase the figure to 500,000 by the end of October.
No surprise there - expensive government debacle .....
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Re: Covid-19: Government plans to spend £100bn on expanding testing to 10 million a day

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Coronavirus: £100bn budget for Operation Moonshot dumped as project swallowed up by Dido Harding’s Test and Trace

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b1221920.html



No surprise there - expensive government debacle .....
No worse than almost every other government on Earth ......... which is no great surprise when you're faced with a virus that even now we do not understand fully.

Testing capacity is rising (The UK is testing more per head of population than most other countries already) but I don't suppose doing that is easy when the rest of the planet wants the same chemicals to make tests with too.

https://www.eadt.co.uk/news/suffolk-...city-1-6892790

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54604100

https://www.thenational.scot/news/18...ty-cases-rise/
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Testing capacity is rising (The UK is testing more per head of population than most other countries already) but I don't suppose doing that is easy when the rest of the planet wants the same chemicals to make tests with too.
Testing (processing) capacity in the UK is not rising substantially - only in the last month has 300,000+ (of all types) per day been reached - only if another testing centre (Loughborough, I believe) come online will BJ's promised 500,000 a day be possible. Despite the billions of pounds invested in testing (processing) centres, their processing rate is far below that required to maintain an adequate defence against the virus.

Dido Harding admits £12 billion test and trace programme is not a 'silver bullet'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...er-bullet.html

NHS Test and Trace needs to improve, PM concedes

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54650029

Coronavirus testing lab 'chaotic and dangerous', scientist claims

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54552620

But:

NHS Test and Trace contractor Serco expects higher profits

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54569842

No surprise there, either .....
 
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