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I don't know why you think we need to elect each member if the civil service in order to have an elected government.

Its really odd ....

We would have to have elections for nearly 500,000 people....

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Those 500.000 are civil servants. In the rest of the EU they don't make the decisions and don't have responsibilities. Is that different in the UK?

But again, cite me the constituencies of these people in boris' government. A minister or a secretary of state does have responsibilities and makes some decisions?

Nicky morgan, Secretary of State for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport
Zac goldsmith, Minister of State for Pacific and the Environment
Theodore agnew, minister of state
Nicholas true, minister of state
Gerry grimstone, minister of state for investment
Ian duncan, under-secretary of state for climate change
Martin callanan, minister of state for climate
Natalie Evans, keeper of the privy seal
Annabel goldie, minister of state for defence
Diana barran, minister for civil society & hrms
Elizabeth berridge, under-secretary of state for school system
John gardiner, under secretary of state for rural affairs
Susan williams, minister of state for equalities
Tariq ahmad, minister of state for the commonwealth
Liz sugg, secretary of state for overseas territories
Nicola blackwood, under-secretary of state
James bethell, secretary of state for innovation
Stephen greenhalgg, minister of state for communities
Richard keen, advocate general for scotland
James younger, minister for faith and communities
Charlotte vere, secretary of state for transport
Deborah stedman-scott, minister for work and pensions

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Like I said Solasch, they are glorified civil servants. The government make the ultimate decisions and the law - these people work for the government. They are interviewed for their roles and appointed by the government - otherwise we would be holding 500,000 elections every time we have a new prime minister or a cabinet reshuffle.

You must have stumble on some weird "Remain Central" web site that hasn't done its research properly. As usual, the univariate thinking of the left always unravels when they speak to people that know what they are talking about.

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Even in the UK the legislative power resides with parliament, not the government which is only it's executive. No knowledge of how your country is ruled..... oh dear.

As for the website, this is the one: https://www.gov.uk/government/ministers

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I'm not sure you understand Solasch.

Parliament vote on bills - the government runs the country. The government is elected and employs the civil service to help run it.

Why is that so difficult to understand ?

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Just think about this for a minute ... if we do a fisheries deal with Norway that would result in the whole of the north-eastern side of the Atlantic ocean and the Northern end of the North Sea being cut off from the EU's fishing fleet. If the UK and Norway then enter into a similar agreement with Iceland, boy-oh-boy, the EU's fishing fleets would be dead in the water because they would have almost nowhere in the northern Atlantic (apart from in and around the RoI's waters) to fish.

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Exactly Percy, which is why I was saying we need to talk to Iceland and also sort out a conservations and sustainability program with the USA.

The EU still have their territorial waters which is between 6 and 12 miles from their coastline, but they are mainly barren and nothing much to catch.

Norway already have to pay tariffs on their seafood imports into the EU so they may reconsider their EEA membership soon as well - whatever they wanted from the EU would be mostly access to the UK financial markets anyway and they can get that directly from us with a bespoke FTA.

And then there's Gibraltar

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Just out of curiosity Solasch, and this is not meant in a flippant or jocular way in any sense...

it seems fish caught in the English Channel belong to the EU, but any humans caught belong to the UK?


The EU cherry picking again?

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I think catching free people is something of a dark past for most nations.