Re: Oh dear, the EU is not having all its own way.

Hi

The thing is JBR that they aren't worried about the loss of money.

There is a very simple reason for that, overall the EU will have more money, not less, when we leave.

They will recover our budget payments in full and actually get more in Tax then we pay in dues.

As I explained earlier, the UK Government will lose a massive amount in Tax simply because we will no longer be the clearing house for financial transactions.

The issue for the EU is that if the money goes to France or Germany, will they keep it for themselves rather than spread it around?

When we leave, we are a competitor, we will be treated as such.

It is a price worth paying in my view and if our Government gets it right, then ultimately we could be better off financially.

How long this takes and how much it costs us is down to the skill of our Government in negotiating.

Re: Oh dear, the EU is not having all its own way.

In fact I did a wee bot of research given your dismissive tone.

It seems that any joint intel division of NATO is barely a year old.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/...ntentions.html

NATO allies have agreed to establish a new joint intelligence and security division to better position the U.S.-led alliance to respond to evolving threats by more effectively sharing information.

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Previously intelligence and cyber issues were dealt with by individual nations' intel services.


Then in October they appointed the first head of the division:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/nato-ap...ief-1477070563

A mere 5 months ago.

I can't say for sure how much work they have done in 5 short months...

as for your

NATO Expenditure includes monies spent on cyber warfare




It has done for the last whole 5 months.

Now back to your statement that the EU is undemocratic. ???????

Re: Oh dear, the EU is not having all its own way.

Really? So why are they so desperate that we shouldn't leave?

Re: Oh dear, the EU is not having all its own way.

Hi

Yes, really.

They are not happy because we are leaving at a time when they are pushing for ever closer integration and an expansion of the EU.

The UK leaving has forced Juncker and Co to accept that there are fundamental problems in the EU and that it has to change.

Hence his new strategy document outlining different scenarios for the EU, none of which have gone down well.

Re: Oh dear, the EU is not having all its own way.

I don't think it is just about money. They have been working towards a united Europe for years,( a bigger country means greater power) so if one country of good economic standing leaves, there will be others who will consider it.
The EU will be making sure that we don't get an easy route out because, if we do well, there is a chance that others will follow our example.
Germany, Britain and France had the 3 highest economies, so if another one leaves how will they manage to retain the rest?
The French elections will be very interesting!

Re: Oh dear, the EU is not having all its own way.

Hi

Very well put twink.

A power thing .

We are well out of it, some things are more important than money.

Re: Oh dear, the EU is not having all its own way.

That's best reason yet to get out. Money may be worrying but the idea of a United States of Europe fills me with dread. I can imagine what those who fought in the two wars would be thinking now.

Re: Oh dear, the EU is not having all its own way.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if, in the future, historians look back on this period in history as the defeat of yet another attempt by Germany to take command of the whole of Europe.

Not by force, this time, but by a financial conquest.

After we have left, and others see how we have made a success of it despite all that the prophets of doom are predicting, there will hopefully be others who follow our lead.

We can hold our heads up high in the sure knowledge that we were instrumental in denying the would-be conquerors' intentions, not once, but three times.

Re: Oh dear, the EU is not having all its own way.

What is worrying Flicker is that when we leave she together with all others in the EU will have to start paying more in income tax. The panic shows in all of her posts

have you all noticed how the whole of Europe in EU that is are terrified what will hapen to them. I can foresee infighting and squabbling getting worse. french farmers will have to start making the farms pay their way instead of relying on handouts from us.

When I was in France, and never want to go back, I was staggered how inward looking they all are. In one supermarket alone everything was labelled product of France not like here in the UK where we can buy products from around the world food wise.


In Brittany where we stayed what a filthy lot the French are taking human waste from houses and spreading straight onto farm land without being treated first. It really made me want to heave

Re: Oh dear, the EU is not having all its own way.

They all seem to drive French manufactured cars as well. Actually, I admire them for supporting their own industries. If we still made good quality cars of our own, I'd do the same.

Regardless of that, though, I will agree that my impression of the Frogs is that they are not particularly clean!