22-11-2019, 08:32 AM
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Re: DUTCH Super Trawler
Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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HiA link is always useful.
https://www.seafish.org/media/486918...n%20010711.pdf
You obviously know better than the Fishing Industry itself.
Another point you ignore.
Fisheries are devolved, English territorial waters are tiny compared to Scotland.
Brexit has downsides for me personally as regards fishing.
I will no longer be able to fish my favourite deep water wrecks from here in the UK.
I will have to fish them from France.
They are still UK territorial waters though ! What's that got to do with devolved fisheries ? I never said English territorial waters or Scottish territorial waters.
22-11-2019, 03:26 PM
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Re: DUTCH Super Trawler
Originally Posted by Bread
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Believe who you like, just bear in mind that your the one asking me the question 
A myth has been propagated by Brexiteers. There is a single “British fishing industry” which will benefit from reclaiming the “60/70/80% of British fish” caught by EU boats.
No, there isn’t. There are competing interests. English v Scottish; deep-sea fishing v inshore fishing; industrial v family-scale boats; fishers v processors. Some of the most vibrant, locally important and ecologically respectful parts of the UK industry have nothing to gain and everything to lose from Brexit.
They depend on shellfish, lobsters, crabs and langoustines (crayfish) that are quota-free or are overwhelmingly allocated to the UK. More than 80% is sold to the continent (mostly Spain and France). This trade has grown large because of the border-free EU single market.
Post-Brexit, trucks arriving in France with fish caught by scores of small boats will have to supply scores of “origin” and “health” documents – one for each boat and each catch. Traders will have to find UK local inspectors in working hours to verify the origin of the seafood and vets to certify its quality.
Little planning has been done in the UK to make any of that possible. The highly perishable trade will add to, and suffer from, the chaos in cross-Channel trade forecast by the*leaked government Yellowhammer document. Add to the bouillabaisse the action likely to be taken by justifiably angry French fishermen …
Justifiably? We are encouraged to believe that it was the EU that first allowed foreign boats to fish in British waters (the exclusive economic zone of up to 200 miles). It wasn’t. The common fisheries policy, first established in 1983,*enshrined historic fishing rights. The quotas were based on 1970s catches but the fishing pattern went back for decades and in some cases centuries.
22-11-2019, 03:50 PM
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Re: DUTCH Super Trawler
Originally Posted by Solasch
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Oh great fountain of wisdom, give me your answer to this!A myth has been propagated by Brexiteers. There is a single “British fishing industry” which will benefit from reclaiming the “60/70/80% of British fish” caught by EU boats.
No, there isn’t. There are competing interests. English v Scottish; deep-sea fishing v inshore fishing; industrial v family-scale boats; fishers v processors. Some of the most vibrant, locally important and ecologically respectful parts of the UK industry have nothing to gain and everything to lose from Brexit.
They depend on shellfish, lobsters, crabs and langoustines (crayfish) that are quota-free or are overwhelmingly allocated to the UK. More than 80% is sold to the continent (mostly Spain and France). This trade has grown large because of the border-free EU single market.
Post-Brexit, trucks arriving in France with fish caught by scores of small boats will have to supply scores of “origin” and “health” documents – one for each boat and each catch. Traders will have to find UK local inspectors in working hours to verify the origin of the seafood and vets to certify its quality.
Little planning has been done in the UK to make any of that possible. The highly perishable trade will add to, and suffer from, the chaos in cross-Channel trade forecast by the*leaked government Yellowhammer document. Add to the bouillabaisse the action likely to be taken by justifiably angry French fishermen …
Justifiably? We are encouraged to believe that it was the EU that first allowed foreign boats to fish in British waters (the exclusive economic zone of up to 200 miles). It wasn’t. The common fisheries policy, first established in 1983,*enshrined historic fishing rights. The quotas were based on 1970s catches but the fishing pattern went back for decades and in some cases centuries.
Tell Europe to get its fish from elsewhere then. Your rules apply to everyone. Talk about shooting yourselves in the foot
Meanwhile we have Westminster to govern the UK fishing policy and regions to apply it in England Wales Scotland etc.
22-11-2019, 03:58 PM
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Re: DUTCH Super Trawler
Originally Posted by Bread
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Tell Europe to get its fish from elsewhere then. Your rules apply to everyone. Talk about shooting yourselves in the foot Meanwhile we have Westminster to govern the UK fishing policy and regions to apply it in England Wales Scotland etc.
That is incorrect, fisheries are devolved, not controlled by Westminster.
https://www.gov.scot/publications/na...ment-scotland/
The reason UK Quotas are so low is our own stupidity.
We did not include our inshore fisheries in the original negotiations.
22-11-2019, 04:02 PM
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Re: DUTCH Super Trawler
Originally Posted by Bread
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Tell Europe to get its fish from elsewhere then. Your rules apply to everyone. Talk about shooting yourselves in the foot Meanwhile we have Westminster to govern the UK fishing policy and regions to apply it in England Wales Scotland etc.
One British inshore fishing industry leader said: “If Brexit happens, there will, eventually, be a few people who make a lot of money. But they will probably be the big-scale skippers and industrial-scale companies who are already rich. I don’t see much for struggling coastal communities or smaller fishermen. Those who depend on the EU market could be wiped out.”
22-11-2019, 04:22 PM
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Re: DUTCH Super Trawler
Originally Posted by Solasch
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In the immediate wake of a no-deal Brexit, British fishermen may end up with the worst of all worlds. They will face calamitous delays and bureaucracy on overnight fish sales to the continent. The government will be obliged by international law to delay distribution of quotas while it enters lengthy talks with the EU27 and the Norwegians.One British inshore fishing industry leader said: “If Brexit happens, there will, eventually, be a few people who make a lot of money. But they will probably be the big-scale skippers and industrial-scale companies who are already rich. I don’t see much for struggling coastal communities or smaller fishermen. Those who depend on the EU market could be wiped out.”
But we are a net importer of fish ...
Oh dear
22-11-2019, 09:08 PM
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Re: DUTCH Super Trawler
Originally Posted by Solasch
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Better be a good boy then, otherwise I will not sell you any fish.Another example of you need the EU more than we need you?
You wont need to... do you still not understand this ????
They are OUR territorial waters and we need more fish than we have quotas for currently
Is that so hard to understand? Even for you ????
22-11-2019, 10:21 PM
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Re: DUTCH Super Trawler
Originally Posted by Bread
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You wont need to... do you still not understand this ????They are OUR territorial waters and we need more fish than we have quotas for currently
Is that so hard to understand? Even for you ????
23-11-2019, 02:19 AM
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Re: DUTCH Super Trawler
Originally Posted by Solasch
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The point being that you cannot take fish out ofthe water that are not there. Boy, is you numb.
You're just being silly now before, you were saying you would be catching your non existent fish for us
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