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Originally Posted by The Artful Todger ->
WW1 Was bound to happen. It was inevitable for a mess of reasons.

What was also inevitable is that a nationalistic combined with socialistic government would emerge out of the Weimar Republic as a direct result of the shameful stitch-up that was enshrined in the infamous Treaty of Versailles.

If it hadn't been Shicklgruber it would have been someone else cast in the same mould.
I don't believe there could be another such monster possible.
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I don't believe there could be another such monster possible.
It's already underway.

In fact it started 1300 odd years ago with only temporary breaks in open hostility.
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The sick in the head US white supremacists seem to forget that the native Americans are not white, it is the Caucasians who are the incomers.
The "native" Americans came from Asia. So they are incomers too.
As are the negroid part of the population.
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09-08-2019, 03:39 PM
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Re: Patriotism!

Originally Posted by the artful todger ->
it's not a case of my country wrong or right though is it. It's about my country first. It's about pride in a persons country, it's values, its history, and a want to be a benefit to their country up to the point where to do so would harm it's people or its future.

Brexit is an exception where the majority of this country decided that they want free of the undemocratic corrupt eu which is actually the unelected european commission and that is absolutely toxic to the uk especially as an independent nation.

I can sorta understand that there are a substantial minority of british people perfectly happy to surrender their freedom to a foreign power but the majority are not. Patriotism is not surrendering ones nation and sovereignty.

To suggest that patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel in such a case is pure unadulterated total horse apples. To willingly surrender ones national sovereignty and hard won freedoms of national identity and national security, that's the act of a scoundrel or much worse.
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The British Empire was a DISGRACE! I am glad we no longer have one.
Oy gevalt! A disgrace she says!

Listen Babushka, such disgraceful treatment WE should have faced when we were still schlepping through the undergrowth living quite literally hand to mouth.

And had modern medical treatment introduced, free education, justice based on law and not tribal traditions, introduction of modern services, goods, a means to live and eat without risking life and limb and so much more.

Then to have the nation builders move on but leave functioning infrastructures behind and access to markets in which to earn the means to maintain and build on what they had been given as departing gifts.

Such a dreadful empire. The world should have suffered such terrible treatment.

Pffft.
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the british empire was a disgrace! I am glad we no longer have one.

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The way we went around acquiring the empire was criminal, and almost made us as bad as Hitler's Germany!
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Re: Patriotism!

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The way we went around acquiring the empire was criminal, and almost made us as bad as Hitler's Germany!

Oh here we go again. Once again Godwin's Law in action quite apart from there being absolutely no similarity with the blitzkrieg let alone the Wehrmacht and the spread of the British Empire.
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09-08-2019, 04:03 PM
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Re: Patriotism!

Originally Posted by The Artful Todger ->
It's not a case of my country wrong or right though is it. It's about my country first. It's about pride in a persons country, it's values, its history, and a want to be a benefit to their country up to the point where to do so would harm it's people or its future.

BREXIT is an exception where the majority of this country decided that they want free of the undemocratic corrupt EU which is actually the unelected European Commission and that is absolutely toxic to the UK especially as an independent nation.

I can sorta understand that there are a substantial minority of British people perfectly happy to surrender their freedom to a foreign power but the majority are not. Patriotism is not surrendering ones nation and sovereignty.

To suggest that patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel in such a case is pure unadulterated total horse apples. To willingly surrender ones national sovereignty and hard won freedoms of national identity and national security, that's the act of a scoundrel or much worse.
Well put Art...I agree totally
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09-08-2019, 07:12 PM
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Re: Patriotism!

Originally Posted by The Artful Todger ->
Oh here we go again. Once again Godwin's Law in action quite apart from there being absolutely no similarity with the blitzkrieg let alone the Wehrmacht and the spread of the British Empire.
I think we can agree Todgy, the only thing l can add is
that we had the advantage of the Romans giving us a head
start! But l suppose you could say that of much of southern
europe as well,
As regards tarantula's comparing the british empire with
other empires, then l think she forgets that the standard
practise of the times was far more brutal than the british
empire practised!
Regards Donkeyman!
 
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