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Clearly you grew up on a farm. For those of us who didn't, is this duck or chicken speak? And could you please translate?

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Get your cup of tea fellow posters, and have a look at this excellent article by Allister Heath in the Telegraph. Certainly cheers one up!

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Despite Wednesday’s defeat, the PM will eventually get his election.

The biggest difference, of course, is that 31 years after Margaret Thatcher launched the modern Eurosceptic movement with her Bruges speech, her side has finally triumphed. Following the expulsion of the 21 most committed Remainers, Eurosceptics are in almost full control of the Tory party for the first time since the Fifties. If Boris Johnson’s massive, historic bet pays off - by no means certain - he will win the general election by scooping up a fresh demographic attracted by his domestic and European policies. He will then engineer a real Brexit, ensuring the period between 1973 and 2019 is remembered as a historical curiosity, an aberrant era during which the UK was conned into giving up its self-government.

As such, Remainers’ triumphalism these past two days is misplaced. Their hatred of Boris Johnson and his advisor, Dominic Cummings, their inability to look outside of the Westminster bubble and their obsession with the minuitiae of process is blinding them to the true state of play. The Remainers may still win in the end, of course, but only if Jeremy Corbyn becomes Prime Minister, laying waste to everything else many of them believe in.

Right now, Johnson and Cummings are still on a path to success, even if they have had to recalibrate their journey several times as obstacles have emerged. The situation is tense, the PM is feeling the pressure and much of the Cabinet is in a state of shock. But Boris hasn’t been ‘’humiliated’’, He hasn’t been ‘’wrong-footed’’.

The semi-prorogation didn’t ‘’backfire’’. It flushed out his hardcore opponents and allowed him to expel them. He knew he would have to do something drastic at some stage and there was no way that those committed to derailing his plans would ever have been allowed to stand under Tory colours at the election. His party was already split de facto, if not de jure, he was always leading a minority government in all but name. The sackings merely formalised this.

Part of the misunderstanding is that Remainers still see themselves as members of the natural governing class, with the Brexiteers as insolent interlopers. Such ultra-Remainers are so blinded by credentialism, by their hero-worship of the likes of Kenneth Clarke - who, as chancellor, helped John Major gift power to Tony Blair - that they cannot understand why their removal actually helps Johnson.

They see the purge of their favourite Tories as a terrible loss of talent, a cataclysmic blow to the credibility of the party, its final death even, yet to Leave voters, losing anti-Brexit irreconcilables, especially overrated establishment figures, is a huge step in the right direction and proof of Boris’s seriousness.

In any case, the Prime Minister needs a party with a single message: every candidate will have to sign up to his plans. This will be the only way that he can fight off the Brexit Party. If he wins, perhaps with a slender majority, Johnson will need to be able to count on every one of his MPs.

In his first few hours after Johnson called for an election, when it became clear that MPs would seize control of Parliament, Remaiiners were elated: they thought they had crippled their enemy.

But they are now realising, to their horror, that their victory may be ephemeral. The MPs’ vote may not really matter; the PM is ready for an election, and he has in fact guaranteed one by making it clear that he doesn’t have a technical majority any longer. Paradoxically, weakness is strength for Boris. He might have preferred to go to the polls after Brexit, but the present path comes with its own advantages.

Hence Labour’s dithering, and the too-clever-by-half plan by some to try to outfox Johnson by delaying any vote to November or December. Combined with Parliament’s power grab, this could theoretically prevent Brexit on October 31, force Johnson to break his promise and ensure his destruction with the help of a resurgent Brexit Party.

It won’t work: Labour will be forced to blink first. Such a scheming implies Corbyn believes Johnson would win on October 15 - not a good look, as they say on Twitter. Delaying the election for months will prolong the life of a useless, unworkable, anarchical Parliament. The Government would relentlessly tell voters that Labour and the LibDems are blocking any progress and have decided to pay MPs not to work, reinforcing the Boris vs the establishment narrative.

Johnson may not get the blame for delaying Brexit either. Tory supporters and Leave voters increasingly hold his opponents responsible for the chaos, and that is even before he spends months repeating his mantra that Corbyn is a coward for refusing to face the electorate. The PM’s description of the Leader of the Opposition as a ‘’chlorinated chicken’’ is a harbinger of things to come. Labour can’t go on refusing an election for much longer.

Last but not least, engineering a delay in Brexit would simply encourage the Government to go for broke. If they were to back a no-deal Brexit, Nigel Farage would step aside and the Leave vote would unite. I am sure those in No 10 genuinely and rightly want a deal. But they may not have a choice if furious voters begin to turn to the Brexit Party again. Do the Remainers really want to goad Downing Street in this way?

Johnson’s gamble was breathtaking in its ambition: he would take over a fatally divided Tory party with no majority, forcibly reform it in his image and gain a pro-Brexit majority. For all of the madness of the past few days, I’m still predicting that he will pull it off.

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So there you go folks. There’s still a plan!!! The world is still turning, and BREXIT is still a great possibility.

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Pity merkel and macron don't want to play ball, and veto an extension.

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True Solly, that would solve all our problems and we would be out of your hair.

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Perhaps your personal problems, but not those of your parliament. They now have to chose between a no deal exit or remaining. Are you confident about the outcome of their choice?

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It's all farming around here Solly. You obviously live near the docks so will reiterate -
It's the chicken sound definitely.

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Without a doubt, No Deal.

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It’s the Government that’s running scared

The unlikely alliance have hooked themselves a great big whopper and are currently playing him before reeling him in to sign a letter to Brussels they have been kind enough to prepare for him

The Government who don’t want a GE are suddenly desperate for one and are prepared to spawn more big whoppers to hide their true motives

They are so transparent even Corbyn can see through them

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Laugh all you want Banchory, it won't change the fact that we are leaving, and there will be no knee bending to the EU. so dream on and get with the programme.

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That sounds encouragingly reassuring.

I'm still not sure, though, that Farage would just stand aside at the next GE as that might make him not only lose face, but also lose voters.

A far better solution would be for Boris and Nigel to come to some arrangement regarding where to stand. It could be quite simple.

Boris could agree not to stand in any constituencies (probably in the North) where he knows he cannot win, and invite Nigel to stand there instead.

Nigel could reciprocate and agree not to stand in constituencies where a Conservative win is already assured.

It would save both parties unnecessary expense and avoid effectively splitting the 'leave' vote.

The two leaders are both committed to honouring Brexit. That is the main thing, but there is no reason why their elected MPs could not work together on other matters especially as Nigel is, admittedly, a one-trick pony (so I'm told!) and probably has no strong feelings about most matters other than Brexit.