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12-02-2020, 11:40 AM
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I do this for a living Annie do you really think I need to read articles from Forbes to find out what will happen ?

The NHS is the biggest health care purchaser in the world. Do you think drug companies want to shaft their biggest customer because we arent in a political union with 27 other countries? Dream on ... pharma standards originate from the USA and UK anyway what do we need the EMA for ? To copy our regulations like they normally do ...

We have stock outs at the moment all the time... HRT treatments and EpiPen are just 2 examples, also some tablets aren't available in the dosage specified on the prescription, so you may be prescribed 100mg but there is only 75mg in stock etc etc etc.. look at the weather that stops calais ferries and industrial action in France that stops flights. Your painting a picture of trade that simply isn't true.

Project fear has been debunked every time ... it wasn't long ago we were told we would need an extra 1 million body bags for goods sake.
If you do this for a living (and I'm not sure whether you are saying that you manufacture medicines or distribute them) then you will know that pharma suppliers have been stockpiling because of Brexit. The Epipen and HRT shortages are just examples of how fragile the supply chains are. We are reliant on smooth frictionless trade for medical supplies and international cooperation when there are shortages. The big drugs are manufactured by the big players and they are multinationals. They don't need to stay here if it doesn't suit their logistics.
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12-02-2020, 12:00 PM
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If you do this for a living (and I'm not sure whether you are saying that you manufacture medicines or distribute them) then you will know that pharma suppliers have been stockpiling because of Brexit. The Epipen and HRT shortages are just examples of how fragile the supply chains are. We are reliant on smooth frictionless trade for medical supplies and international cooperation when there are shortages. The big drugs are manufactured by the big players and they are multinationals. They don't need to stay here if it doesn't suit their logistics.
Pharma companies "stock pile" all the time. Its part of securing supply through supply chains. In the industry it's called "increasing warehousing" ... the term "stock-pile" was introduced to scare people like you who think Brexit will impact the health and safety of people, because we will run out of meds and other absurd, made up junk from the remain media.

The whole world relies on smooth and frictionless trade - the WTO have been championing it for years. In the case of the EU and the UK, we never have had 100% frictionless trade. We get no end of problems through bad weather, strikes, fuel shortages and protests by French etc. Look at operation Stack on the M20, that should give you a good example of how great the frictionless trade is between the UK and the EU. It's one of the reasons we stock-pile (or increase warehousing) because its so unreliable and unpredictable. Countries in the EU and all over the world do the same its part of disaster planning and pandemic planning. We do it all the time, day in day out.... it's routine and mostly automated through ERP and MRP systems connected all over the world (such as JDE, SAP etc).

Warehousing drug products is for all manner of reasons - you don't buy a ventolin inhaler from Spain and get it on next day delivery and if it doesn't arrive its tough luck for the patient.. they come from a massive pool of meds in warehouses all over the world. Just like any other warehousing system.

Over 80% of drug and biotech companies have representation in the UK. It's because of our top notch scientists, superb education system (look at our Universities such as Oxford, Cambridge etc), we speak English, we have free healthcare and exceptional talents for innovation. We also have some of the biggest hub airports in the world (such as Heathrow) and have nuclear science capabilities, massive research parks where other companies can innovate together and are world leaders in areas such as cancer research. We also develop the regulations and good practices that are transcribed into other countries regulatory bodies with our partners in the USA (and europe).

*The shortages of Epipen and HRT is because there is insufficient manufacturing of them in the first place. Its a historic problem and nothing to do with Brexit.

** Do you know how much this scaremongering is costing the NHS with patients asking for more meds on prescription so they can create their own stock-piles ? My girlfriend works in a pharmacy and spends far too much time telling people to stop asking for extra meds when there is no need because of what they have read in the media about Brexit. They can't get a prescription because the Dr won't prescribe extra stuff because of what the patient has read in the Guardian so they pester the pharmacists. As a result, there are queues out the door and lots of angry people insulting and shouting at NHS staff. Its costing the NHS a fortune because of this none-sense, Annie. Some people won't take no for an answer and keep making stupid appointments and wasting everyones time while other people can't get seen to.

Really...
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12-02-2020, 12:32 PM
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The stockpiling was government ordered on top of any normal buffer stock. The industry is relying on systems working and global cooperation. There have been four years to prepare so one would hope that they have done all that they can to mitigate risk. Research scientists come here from all over the world so immigration changes or quotas will affect that. Our top Universities are reliant on international student fees.

https://sciencebusiness.net/news/so-...es-future-hold
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12-02-2020, 01:14 PM
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The stockpiling was government ordered on top of any normal buffer stock. The industry is relying on systems working and global cooperation. There have been four years to prepare so one would hope that they have done all that they can to mitigate risk. Research scientists come here from all over the world so immigration changes or quotas will affect that. Our top Universities are reliant on international student fees.

https://sciencebusiness.net/news/so-...es-future-hold
Yeah more misery for you to wring your hands and stick pins in your eyes over.

Believe what you want Annie, nobody will ever convince you otherwise. Certainly not people who actually work on the industry anyway.
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12-02-2020, 04:55 PM
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Our top Universities are reliant on international student fees.
Then it's time for some rationalisation in the many institutions around and the dumping of noddy courses like media and film studies.
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12-02-2020, 05:17 PM
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Our top Universities are reliant on international student fees.
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Then it's time for some rationalisation in the many institutions around and the dumping of noddy courses like media and film studies.
I agree.

The university from which Marge recently retired has many PhD students from abroad, mostly the Middle East (where the money is!). These are all radiography, nuclear medicine, ultrasound and other medical imaging specialisms, certainly not Mickey Mouse studies, and I'm sure this is reflected in other UK universities too.

So if the EU should decide to ban their potential students from travelling here, we have a great deal of interest from non-EU countries.

Do we need the EU?
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12-02-2020, 05:24 PM
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I agree.

The university from which Marge recently retired has many PhD students from abroad, mostly the Middle East (where the money is!). These are all radiography, nuclear medicine, ultrasound and other medical imaging specialisms, certainly not Mickey Mouse studies, and I'm sure this is reflected in other UK universities too.

So if the EU should decide to ban their potential students from travelling here, we have a great deal of interest from non-EU countries.

Do we need the EU?
I was talking about post brexit changes to immigration controls which affect tjhe entry and visa requirements of EU and non EU students. I think they were reconsidering.
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12-02-2020, 05:39 PM
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I was talking about post brexit changes to immigration controls which affect tjhe entry and visa requirements of EU and non EU students. I think they were reconsidering.
We shall see.

I think the UK will welcome anyone with money!
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12-02-2020, 05:52 PM
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We shall see.

I think the UK will welcome anyone with money!
And sell all their heritage to them, like the last decades?
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12-02-2020, 06:06 PM
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We shall see.

I think the UK will welcome anyone with money!
The best research brains don't always have money. They were at some point talking about quotas and this would be devastating to the funding of our universities. It would also have a very negative impact on some of the fabulous research carried out here. I think the powers that be were backing down on this but not sure whether a decision has been made.
 
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