27-01-2020, 09:45 PM
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Re: Smart motorways
Originally Posted by Mups
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Crazy, mental people given the power to implement these decisions is scary stuff.
I'm just glad that where we live it's unlikely we'll have to go on any so called 'smart' motorways.
27-01-2020, 11:56 PM
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Re: Smart motorways
Originally Posted by Mups
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So is anybody able to answer the question I asked back in post 4, about where are we supposed to pull over if we have a break down now, and are they removing the motorway phones along the hard shoulders? 
Who would dare to stop and use one of the phones with traffic thundering by just inches from them?
28-01-2020, 12:10 AM
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Re: Smart motorways
Originally Posted by The Artful Todger
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The cost of HS2 is very high and with BREXIT its value is much reduced but investment in anything that will take road vehicles, especially polution fossil fuel burners off our roads and not damaging OUR environment MUST be worthwhile.A very good start in that direction will be when our national speed limit is reduced to 80 kmh and rationing of fuel and maybe even road use introduced along with a pay per km surcharge.
They should make more efficient cars instead of cutting speed limits. Causing more congestion just causes people to drive on a lower gear so counter productive.
28-01-2020, 12:17 AM
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Re: Smart motorways
Originally Posted by The Artful Todger
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Horses and carts no, but much more use of rail for people and freight really should be MADE to happen and the best way to do that is by making use of personal care and trucks prohibitively expensive and only viable for very exceptional circumstances where the need justifies the lunatics cost.28-01-2020, 12:31 AM
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Re: Smart motorways
Originally Posted by AnnieS
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If they want to spend £90bn to stop people using their cars then they should just pay this directly to people instead of wasting it on a ghost train line.They should make more efficient cars instead of cutting speed limits. Causing more congestion just causes people to drive on a lower gear so counter productive.
28-01-2020, 12:38 AM
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Re: Smart motorways
Originally Posted by The Artful Todger
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Horses and carts no, but much more use of rail for people and freight really should be MADE to happen and the best way to do that is by making use of personal care and trucks prohibitively expensive and only viable for very exceptional circumstances where the need justifies the lunatics cost.Canals really should be brought back into service and expanded and use of coastal shipping to link with onshore distribution be brought back not to mention transport of goods by sea replacing the HORRENDOUS waste resulting from the use of air transport
We are now at the end of the cheap travel age because it is patently obvious that it has not been cheap in environmental cost terms and is big time unaffordable.
Anthropogenic climate change is now an inescapable fact and release of greenhouse gasses resulting from burning fossil fuels must end.
We're at the end of the cheap transport age because it's now clear that it's anything but cheap and starting the responsible transport and movement age.
28-01-2020, 12:56 AM
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Re: Smart motorways
But even at the extortionate prices we have to pay the trains are totally overcrowded and the loos are disgusting. You'd expect at least a decent cuppa for the money. It's better than it once was but for the price you pay it's ridiculous.When I used to do a lot of motorway driving there were only two reasons for congestion - accidents and roadworks. The first should be avoidable if you have a safe road system.
28-01-2020, 11:01 AM
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Re: Smart motorways
Originally Posted by AnnieS
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But even at the extortionate prices we have to pay the trains are totally overcrowded and the loos are disgusting. You'd expect at least a decent cuppa for the money. It's better than it once was but for the price you pay it's ridiculous. When I used to do a lot of motorway driving there were only two reasons for congestion - accidents and roadworks. The first should be avoidable if you have a safe road system.
28-01-2020, 11:02 AM
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Re: Smart motorways
Originally Posted by AnnieS
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Many older and disabled people depend on their cars or on deliveries of food by trucks. Even if rail travel were cheaper people would not bother because trains only have so much capacity. The only answer in our current society is to make cars increasingly fuel efficient and environmentally friendly.
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