07-03-2019, 08:51 PM
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Re: Hypocrisy Democracy
Originally Posted by Bread
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Referendums become legally binding when the government tells the people they will implement the result.I can't think of any referendum that was done "just for fun".
No, that's wrong. Referenda do not "become legally binding" or any such thing. (You may want them to - but that's another matter).
And no-one has ever suggested that this or any other referendum was done "just for fun"; all that has been stated is that the result is not legally and constitutionally binding on a sovereign parliament. This is so even if that parliament promised to implement the result - new facts can come to light, circumstances can change, and so on. Parliament remains sovereign - and the right of elected representatives to change their minds is an essential part of that sovereignty.
I know this is hard for Brexiteers to accept, but that is the constitutional position here in the UK.
07-03-2019, 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Fosterbrad
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I’ take that one on the chin ‘itsme’. I stand corrected. Wrong choice of word to support the point made in the post. Thank you for making things clear. Apologies also to OGF.
07-03-2019, 09:01 PM
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Re: Hypocrisy Democracy
Originally Posted by OldFogey
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No, that's wrong. Referenda do not "become legally binding" or any such thing. (You may want them to - but that's another matter).And no-one has ever suggested that this or any other referendum was done "just for fun"; all that has been stated is that the result is not legally and constitutionally binding on a sovereign parliament. This is so even if that parliament promised to implement the result - new facts can come to light, circumstances can change, and so on. Parliament remains sovereign - and the right of elected representatives to change their minds is an essential part of that sovereignty.
I know this is hard for Brexiteers to accept, but that is the constitutional position here in the UK.
07-03-2019, 10:19 PM
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Re: Hypocrisy Democracy
Originally Posted by OldFogey
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No, that's wrong. Referenda do not "become legally binding" or any such thing. (You may want them to - but that's another matter).And no-one has ever suggested that this or any other referendum was done "just for fun"; all that has been stated is that the result is not legally and constitutionally binding on a sovereign parliament. This is so even if that parliament promised to implement the result - new facts can come to light, circumstances can change, and so on. Parliament remains sovereign - and the right of elected representatives to change their minds is an essential part of that sovereignty.
I know this is hard for Brexiteers to accept, but that is the constitutional position here in the UK.
As far as the 2016 EU referendum is concerned the usual rules were suspended and Article 50 has been invoked.
07-03-2019, 11:35 PM
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Re: Hypocrisy Democracy
Originally Posted by OldFogey
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No, that's wrong. Referenda do not "become legally binding" or any such thing. (You may want them to - but that's another matter).And no-one has ever suggested that this or any other referendum was done "just for fun"; all that has been stated is that the result is not legally and constitutionally binding on a sovereign parliament. This is so even if that parliament promised to implement the result - new facts can come to light, circumstances can change, and so on. Parliament remains sovereign - and the right of elected representatives to change their minds is an essential part of that sovereignty.
I know this is hard for Brexiteers to accept, but that is the constitutional position here in the UK.
Your clutching at straws with this old argument besides legal or not your wont change the result
08-03-2019, 12:44 AM
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Re: Hypocrisy Democracy
Originally Posted by OldFogey
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No, that's wrong. Referenda do not "become legally binding" or any such thing.
And you really think that the electorate would accept that after the PM at the time had stated that the result of the referendum would be implemented whatever it was.
08-03-2019, 06:17 AM
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Re: Hypocrisy Democracy
Originally Posted by Moscow
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It's not hard to accept...... That is you spouting your usual patronising drivel..As far as the 2016 EU referendum is concerned the usual rules were suspended and Article 50 has been invoked.
parliament voted on a bill to invoke Article 5o as per their sovereign prerogative
They can also undertake a similar vote to revoke it as the result of the referendum is not binding, only advisory
Things are what they are, and not your uninformed claptrap
08-03-2019, 06:30 AM
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[QUOTE=Ray Cathode;1655879]And you really think that the electorate would accept that after the PM at the time had stated that the result of the referendum would be implemented whatever it was.[/QUOTEThe PM lied
That you and others were ignorant of the legal status of the referendum is only your own fault
08-03-2019, 08:00 AM
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[QUOTE=Banchory;1655918]
Originally Posted by Ray Cathode
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And you really think that the electorate would accept that after the PM at the time had stated that the result of the referendum would be implemented whatever it was.[/QUOTEThe PM lied
That you and others were ignorant of the legal status of the referendum is only your own fault
Would the results be any different if referendums were legally binding? Can you name one that was ?
Remember the referendum on EU membership was an act of parliament....
08-03-2019, 12:15 PM
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Re: Hypocrisy Democracy
Originally Posted by OldGreyFox
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We shall see OldFogey.....Remember the Poll Tax, the power of the people kicked it into the long grass even without a referendum, and there are many examples of the decisions in government being overturned by public opinion...
I presumed, since people were discussing legality, that they would wish to abide by the principles of that same legality.
But, if you prefer criminal vigilante action to win the day . . .
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