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Re: The New Prime Minister

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Yeh, being a conniving, sniggering, uncouth, lying bastard, he should fit in rather well.

Childish desparation ^^^



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Re: The New Prime Minister

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Childish desparation ^^^



Yawn.......

Intriguing that you don't deny the epithets though.
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11-06-2019, 01:09 PM
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Re: The New Prime Minister

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Yeh, being a conniving, sniggering, uncouth, lying bastard, he should fit in rather well.
As do all politicians.
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11-06-2019, 02:09 PM
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Re: The New Prime Minister

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As do all politicians.
Well of all politicians those striving to become the next pm, should remember that the government is bound by international law, to:

12) This extension excludes any re-opening of the Withdrawal Agreement. Any unilateral commitment, statement or other act by the United Kingdom should be compatible with the letter and the spirit of the Withdrawal Agreement, and must not hamper its implementation.
Such an extension cannot be used to start negotiations on the future relationship.

So some of the promises from the present candidates are in violation of law, but moreover, are impossible for the candidate to uphold. Either the candidate doesn't know the above and is stupid, or does know and is a liar.
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Well of all politicians those striving to become the next pm, should remember that the government is bound by international law, to:

12) This extension excludes any re-opening of the Withdrawal Agreement. Any unilateral commitment, statement or other act by the United Kingdom should be compatible with the letter and the spirit of the Withdrawal Agreement, and must not hamper its implementation.
Such an extension cannot be used to start negotiations on the future relationship.

So some of the promises from the present candidates are in violation of law, but moreover, are impossible for the candidate to uphold. Either the candidate doesn't know the above and is stupid, or does know and is a liar.

These are not mutually exclusive of one another so the scumbag 'nasty party' candidates are both stupid and liars.
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11-06-2019, 03:21 PM
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Re: The New Prime Minister

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Intriguing that you don't deny the epithets though.
I don't need to it's obvious to anyone that its utter rubbish.
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11-06-2019, 03:33 PM
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Re: The New Prime Minister

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Well of all politicians those striving to become the next pm, should remember that the government is bound by international law, to:

12) This extension excludes any re-opening of the Withdrawal Agreement. Any unilateral commitment, statement or other act by the United Kingdom should be compatible with the letter and the spirit of the Withdrawal Agreement, and must not hamper its implementation.
Such an extension cannot be used to start negotiations on the future relationship.

So some of the promises from the present candidates are in violation of law, but moreover, are impossible for the candidate to uphold. Either the candidate doesn't know the above and is stupid, or does know and is a liar.
Hi

There is a third reason.

You do not understand.

It is not International Law, it is EU Law.

There is a huge difference.

The Withdrawal Agreement negotiated by the EU Negotiation Team and approved by the EU

The Withdrawal Agreement was not approved by our Parliament, it therefore has no standing.

The only thing that has any legal standing is that we leave on 31st October unless our Parliament votes to withdraw Article 50.

You are not the only one getting it wrong.

Macron has stated that if we do not pay the money agreed it will be a Sovreign Default.

This is wrong, more bluff and bluster.

The Ratings Agencies have stated that the withdrawal agreement money does not qualify for default status.

They are of the opinion however that it will mean a two point downgrade in our Credit Rating.

That will sting, we have huge national debts which we must pay interest on.

Not paying means we will save half as there will be transition period and the rest will have to go to International Court, which will take years.
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11-06-2019, 04:48 PM
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Re: The New Prime Minister

Originally Posted by swimfeeders ->
Hi

There is a third reason.

You do not understand.

It is not International Law, it is EU Law.

There is a huge difference.
You are a law enforcer, not a jurist, and it shows.

International law is a body of rules recognised by states or nations as binding upon their mutual relations, including their relations with international organisations. International law is usually incorporated in agreements between sovereign states, and/or derived from such agreements.

Although*EU law*may be regarded as a specific form of international law, the main body of EU law has some particular features which usually do not appear in international law: in particular, citizens can invoke rights guaranteed by EU law before courts in the EU Member States, whereas international law usually needs to be transposed into national law before citizens can plead it. Also, EU law often prevails over the law of the EU Member States. This is why this Portal has separate pages for EU law and international law.

https://e-justice.europa.eu/content_...l_law-10-en.do
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11-06-2019, 05:35 PM
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Re: The New Prime Minister

Originally Posted by swimfeeders ->
Hi

There is a third reason.

You do not understand.

The Withdrawal Agreement negotiated by the EU Negotiation Team and approved by the EU

The Withdrawal Agreement was not approved by our Parliament, it therefore has no standing.

You are not the only one getting it wrong.
The negotiation and signature of treaties is a function of the government, exercised through the Royal Prerogative, and parliamentary 'interest and involvement’ in the treaty-making process has generally been limited. Indeed, parliamentary scrutiny of treaty-making, such as it is, is generally confined to scrutiny of legislation introduced into Parliament by the Government for the purpose of implementing treaty obligations. By that point, however, Parliament is in a position to address no more than how such obligations are to be given effect in domestic law, the existence of those obligations — and their binding effect upon the UK as a State in international law — being a given at that stage in the process. In the light of that, and bearing in mind that not all treaties generate obligations that need to be given legal effect via domestic primary legislation, it is clear that scrutiny of treaty-related legislation cannot reasonably be regarded as a substitute for scrutiny of treaties themselves at a point when they amount to something other than a done deal.

In other words, parliament can amend the bill with which the pm (then theresa may) introduces it in law. The deal itself is for the government to decide about. Which gives the deal a status, and when no domestic legislative effects are in order, that status is final.
In case of the brexit deal there are effects that need to be anchored in domestic law, that's where parliament comes in.
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11-06-2019, 07:11 PM
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Re: The New Prime Minister

Originally Posted by Solasch ->
You are a law enforcer, not a jurist, and it shows.

International law is a body of rules recognised by states or nations as binding upon their mutual relations, including their relations with international organisations. International law is usually incorporated in agreements between sovereign states, and/or derived from such agreements.

Although*EU law*may be regarded as a specific form of international law, the main body of EU law has some particular features which usually do not appear in international law: in particular, citizens can invoke rights guaranteed by EU law before courts in the EU Member States, whereas international law usually needs to be transposed into national law before citizens can plead it. Also, EU law often prevails over the law of the EU Member States. This is why this Portal has separate pages for EU law and international law.

https://e-justice.europa.eu/content_...l_law-10-en.do
There are no EU laws that cannot be superceded by Parliament.

Obviously The EU can respond as it decides should the UK Parliament pass legislation to contradict EU laws but , as a sovereign state where Parliament is pre eminent, EU law is merely tolerated by the UK..
 
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