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That's down to what happened when the government of the day and our parliament never in a million years thought that the public would actually decide that they wanted to leave.

Cameron should have grasped the nettle firmly.
Instead he thought "Oh Sh!t! and quit, leaving Brexit to ditherers and those determined to try and thwart the result.


Whichever way we would have headed - a straightforward "we're off" OR "come on then, negotiate a deal" - we would have been a few years beyond where we stand now had it not been for the deceitful actions of those determined to make leaving the EU as difficult as possible.

By now we would indeed already be showing others that life outside is better than being in the EU - the callous initial reactions to the pandemic and the continuing funding argument could very well have seen a decisive EU split by now.

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Spot on Zaphod !

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Well Assman, it doesn't really matter who's media you take notice of, if you and Zaphod think achieving no agreement with the EU after four years of incompetent bumbling is a credit to your government then you are both very easily pleased.

Just remember this is also the same mob who are supposed to lead you out of the wilderness of European oppression to Paradise Lost. If the last four years are anything to go by then it will be a very long, slow journey. Good luck with that.

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That is the whole point of Brexit going straight over Bruce's head!


Isn't it odd that an Aussie - you remember; the ones who only voted in 1999 to become a republic - can't understand the UK wanting independence from the EU?


The point, Bruce me old fella, is that the UK once free of the EU we can make our own laws and rules, and trade with who we want to and not who others tell us to.
Don't you remember Australia deciding it wanted very similar things?
Oh and BTW, it took Oz almost a hundred years to achieve what we will achieve in in under 5 since your federalisation officially started in 1901!

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The latest from Gove today:
"“The EU still wants to take the lion’s share of the fishing in our waters - which is just not fair given that we are leaving the EU,” Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster Gove told Sky.

“The EU still want us to be tied to their way of doing things,” Gove said. “The EU are at the moment reserving the right if there is any sort of dispute not quite to rip everything up but to impose some really penal and tough restrictions on us and we don’t think that’s fair.”
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-br...-idUKKBN28B401

'Nuff said.

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It's the EU that's cherry picking now.

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I should concentrate on your own problems with China Brucy if
i was you??
Seems to be a similar problem to me?
A large trading partner trying to bully a smaller trading partner????
As it happens l entirely agree with you about the quality of UK
politicians as a whole, not just one party !! But the much maligned
Boris Johnson has at least tried to follow the the democratic vote
of the majority, and against the combined efforts of the EU loving
media and other powerful vested interests with no interest in
democracy !!
The battle is still raging in our media as we speak to wipe out the
gains we have made under Boris's leadership and by trying to
cause trouble at everything he does!!His own party is still loaded with
remainer MPs,who are now also playing up as 'D' Day approaches
once again !!!

Donkeyman! 👎😬😬👎

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Um!! My god Zaphod you do write a load of drivel!

When did Australia ever vote to become a republic??

Certainly not in 1999 or indeed any year. Why would we want to? We have a head of state that costs us nothing because you people pay for her and who has absolutely no effect on our democracy (Yes, we are a democracy which elects both houses of our Parliament unlike a certain European country)


I have mentioned before your apparent lack of comprehension but here you go again - that is exactly what I said here:

My doubt was about the ability of Clown Prince Boris and his cronies to successfully lead, a doubt based on their past performance. It was not about why you are leaving the EU.

I hope that helps.


Seriously, your ignorance of politics and government is very concerning, Are you are allowed to vote?

Exactly who makes our laws and decides who we trade with do you think? We have a constitution unlike the UK and that has been in effect since 1901 (amazingly you did get that date right).

Australia has made its own laws since then. The Constitution clearly defines the legal responsibilities of both the states and the federal government, perhaps you should read it before you waffle on about things you clearly have no understanding.

Like Canada (and over a dozen other countries) we have the Queen as a nominal Head of State and we thank you for keeping her in the state to which she has grown accustomed.

You had better go away and find out some facts rather than merely spouting nonsense, you'll feel all the better for it.

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You seem not to know your own history.

Taken from Wiki

"The Australian republic referendum held on 6 November 1999 was a two-question referendum to amend the Constitution of Australia. The first question asked whether Australia should become a republic with a President appointed by Parliament following a bi-partisan appointment model which had been approved by a half-elected, half-appointed Constitutional Convention held in Canberra in February 1998. The second question, generally deemed to be far less important politically, asked whether Australia should alter the Constitution to insert a preamble. For some years opinion polls had suggested that a majority of the electorate favoured a republic.[3] Nonetheless, the republic referendum was defeated, partly due to division among republicans on the method proposed for selection of the president and dissident republicans subsequently supporting the no campaign."

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Thank you for saving me from wasting even more electrons.

Isn't it remarkable the lengths that those who hate the thought of Brexit will go to just in order to confirm their personal bias?
Even if they live on the other side of planet Earth!



Poor Bruce, getting his underwear in knots by the looks of it.
Fella, it's now quite obvious that you are the one that little tirade applies to and not me.
You might like to look up how being in the Commonwealth and having the Queen as Head of State is purely voluntary; also that the Queen's position is mostly ceremonial.
As is confirmed when you say that Oz makes it's own rules and laws ....... and has since 1901 as I said!
Or that your previous PM Rudd along with many others has said that there will be another referendum to remove the Queen?

If I were you Bruce I should be devoting more time to learning about the country you live in, because you seem to have a severe lack of knowledge about current affairs and recent history in Australia which is making you look pretty foolish.