Before we sign up to a close trade deal with USA, I'd like to dig a bit further into our "Special Relationship" with USA because I think it is more in our rose tinted heads than in reality.


Propaganda
USA our biggest friend and ally. Helped us win the war.

Reality
Didn't enter the war until after Pearl Harbour. 4/5 German troops defeated on eastern front by Russia.
USA was neutral during Falklands war. Sucked us into the Iraq war with lies about "weapons of mass destruction".


Propaganda
The world's good guys. Defenders of democracy. Rambo films showing USA heroes hand to hand fighting the nasty Russian backed Viet Cong. Countless films like Independence day showing USA heroes including their president personally saving the planet.
Countless cowboy films showing Americans bravely shooting the nasty Indians with their evil bows and arrows.

Reality
7,662,000 TONs of bombs dropped in Vietnam/Cambodia killing 1.5 million local people "to stop the spread of communism"
Blindly dropping bombs of "Monsanto agent orange" onto forests causing countless deformities in unborn Vietnamese babies and massive pollution problems.
Korean war. More bombs.
More wars, more bombs, always bombs; these days using drones.
President germophobe conscription sick note Donald Trump.

Propaganda
Great place to live where it is clean, wealthy, everything that is good about capitalism.

Reality
400,000 firearms, 40,000 gun deaths per year
Obesity at 35%
Life expectancy for the poor much lower than Europe
Death Penalty
Privatised health care
Obscene wealth inequality
Racist police and courts
Massive pollution and carbon footprint per person.
Fracking without regulation
Chlorinated chicken, hormone treated saturated fat beef, poisonous pesticides, horrendous factory farming.

Looking at this do we really want to leave the EU single market, sign up with USA, lower our standards, pollute the oceans and start shipping their unregulated crap thousands of miles to us in the UK?

you may have a loathing for the usa, but i guarantee you would be one of the first clamouring for their assistance in time of conflict. No county is perfect. We only have to look in our own back yard,

Totally naïve view. We are a small country. Where/when/who/how/why do you expect us to do the deals with which haven't already been covered by the EU.

What did you say you did for a living ? You never did answer... is it because your not who your pretending to be ?

No answers again from the expert


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Hi

I will repeat, once again, that the EU is not part of 5 Eyes.

I will repeat that the EU has no control whatsoever over who we choose to build our 5G Network.

Your link is totally irrelevant to the thread.

I will repeat, once again, that you are calling leading Brexiteers, the ONS and the Head of the WTO Liars.

Forum members must make their own choice as to who is right.

I have made mine.

Good Grief, it's Nicola Sturgeon in disguise!

Nice to see you, on here, Nicola.

If you have a quick read of all the existing stuff here, on Brexit, I'm sure you'll find what you want!

Could you explain what "crap" you are referring to that is unregulated in the USA?.


Chlorinated factory farmed chicken, hormone injected beef, poisonous pesticides. The stuff that is not fit for the EU. Regulated in the USA does not mean a lot.

You may have a loathing for the USA, but I guarantee you would be one of the first clamouring for their assistance in time of conflict. No county is perfect. We only have to look in our own back yard,

So the millions they have maimed and killed in their pointless wars comes under "No country is perfect"?

The deliberate "Agent orange" bomb experimentation with real people just comes under "No country is perfect"??

I know every country has had bloody and violent pasts. We live on a violent planet but as humanity advances and learns we should learn empathy with other people and animals that share the world. Shouldn't we?
These war crimes are recent past.

The so called USA president refuses to apologise.