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As yet another sign of just how scared the EU are, the just published contingency measures contain this threat to other EU members that might feel like striking a unilateral deal with the UK:

"With regard to national measures [ie, any agreement between a member state and the UK], the commission will continue to engage with member states with the aim of ensuring that national measures do not fragment or undermine the single market.

Consequently, in the view of the commission, one core principle of national measures should be their temporary nature. A second principle is that the United Kingdom should not draw similar benefits from such measures as the ones offered by the union in the negotiations on the future agreement. National measures should also take into account the overarching priority with regard to the relationship of the union with any third country, in order to preserve the integrity of the single market, limit the risk of fragmentation and avoid unequal treatment of member states. In any event, national measures of any kind have to comply with EU law, including the principle of sincere cooperation.

At any rate, the EU collectively has a stronger bargaining power than each member state acting alone. This bargaining power benefits all member states. It must be used to ensure a level playing field between the EU and the United Kingdom."
https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info...t_part1_v2.pdf

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Originally Posted by Zaphod ->
As yet another sign of just how scared the EU are, the just published contingency measures contain this threat to other EU members that might feel like striking a unilateral deal with the UK:

"With regard to national measures [ie, any agreement between a member state and the UK], the commission will continue to engage with member states with the aim of ensuring that national measures do not fragment or undermine the single market.

Consequently, in the view of the commission, one core principle of national measures should be their temporary nature. A second principle is that the United Kingdom should not draw similar benefits from such measures as the ones offered by the union in the negotiations on the future agreement. National measures should also take into account the overarching priority with regard to the relationship of the union with any third country, in order to preserve the integrity of the single market, limit the risk of fragmentation and avoid unequal treatment of member states. In any event, national measures of any kind have to comply with EU law, including the principle of sincere cooperation.

At any rate, the EU collectively has a stronger bargaining power than each member state acting alone. This bargaining power benefits all member states. It must be used to ensure a level playing field between the EU and the United Kingdom."
https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info...t_part1_v2.pdf


Solidarity .... not
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Solidarity .... not
You can almost hear the raised voice and see a little moustache and a raised arm in that last sentence, "it must be used to ensure a level playing field between the EU and the United Kingdom.".
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You can almost hear the raised voice and see a little moustache and a raised arm in that last sentence, "it must be used to ensure a level playing field between the EU and the United Kingdom.".
The WTO is a better level playing field, with 164 members as opposed to only 27.

We can use that instead.
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' Asked about the EU's bid for reciprocal access to each other's waters in 2021 if there is no trade agreement, the Prime Minister's official spokesman said: "I think as we've said throughout the negotiations, once we leave the end of the transition period, we will take back control of our waters.

"We would never accept arrangements and access to UK fishing waters which are incompatible with our status as an independent coastal state." '

That'll be a big fat "No!" to that part of the EU's "contingency plan" then.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...news-eu-talks/
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Originally Posted by Bread ->
The WTO is a better level playing field, with 164 members as opposed to only 27.

We can use that instead.
We can certainly use the WTO if the EU restrict travel of goods in either direction.


I'm pretty sure that those EU companies which help to make up the £90 billion per year surplus in trade with the UK are not going to be very pleased if the EU deliberately introduces obstacles either.
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The blatant provocation of the EU meant obviously not; scallops followed by turbot!
That clearly shows that the EU have zero sense of diplomacy.
Dictators have never really felt any need of diplomacy.
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This should please us .... NOT!

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...fishing-rights
'Plea'? 'Beg'? 'Regulation'?

They've never pleaded or begged before; only threatened and demanded. Or is this just DE 'journalism'?

As for a new 'regulation', they can put in place any regulations they like, but when we have left as an independent sovereign state their 'regulations' will mean absolutely nothing to us.
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We can certainly use the WTO if the EU restrict travel of goods in either direction.


I'm pretty sure that those EU companies which help to make up the £90 billion per year surplus in trade with the UK are not going to be very pleased if the EU deliberately introduces obstacles either.
Especially when we only pay for them when they are received
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Originally Posted by Zaphod ->
As yet another sign of just how scared the EU are, the just published contingency measures contain this threat to other EU members that might feel like striking a unilateral deal with the UK:

"With regard to national measures [ie, any agreement between a member state and the UK], the commission will continue to engage with member states with the aim of ensuring that national measures do not fragment or undermine the single market.

Consequently, in the view of the commission, one core principle of national measures should be their temporary nature. A second principle is that the United Kingdom should not draw similar benefits from such measures as the ones offered by the union in the negotiations on the future agreement. National measures should also take into account the overarching priority with regard to the relationship of the union with any third country, in order to preserve the integrity of the single market, limit the risk of fragmentation and avoid unequal treatment of member states. In any event, national measures of any kind have to comply with EU law, including the principle of sincere cooperation.

At any rate, the EU collectively has a stronger bargaining power than each member state acting alone. This bargaining power benefits all member states. It must be used to ensure a level playing field between the EU and the United Kingdom."
https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info...t_part1_v2.pdf

This gargaining power benefits all member states ???
Who are they kidding !!
80 billion trading deficit uk- eu??

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