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Poland about to Fall Out (Of the EU)?

The DT is reporting, in today's edition, deep unrest in Poland.

Looks like they might leave the EU - If Permitted!

"Poland's membership of the EU was plunged into uncertainty on Wednesday after its judges defied a European court order to reverse some of its controversial judicial reforms.

Stanisław Piotrowicz, a senior Polish judge, said that interim measures by the EU’s highest court, which ordered Warsaw to suspend the reforms, were “not in line” with the Polish constitution.

The defiant ruling is the first of two verdicts due to be issued this week by Polish judges which appear to question a fundamental requirement of EU membership: that EU law takes precedence over national laws.

The ruling prompted Guy Verhofstadt, a prominent MEP and former chief Brexit coordinator, to warn that Poland’s eurosceptic government was trying to drag the country out of the bloc.

“Against the wishes of the vast majority of Polish people who want an EU future, the populist governing PiS [Law and Justice] party is determined to take Poland out of the EU,” he wrote on Twitter.

“Will anyone act to stop them before it is too late?” he added, and claimed that the rule of law in Poland was breaking down.

The Polish ruling came after the European Court of Justice [ECJ] issued an interim order for Warsaw to suspend its “disciplinary chamber” of the Supreme Court, which was part of measures to overhaul the Polish legal system.

Under the Polish reforms, which came into effect in February 2020, the disciplinary chamber has powers to strip judges of immunity and cut their salaries. The reforms also prevent judges from referring certain points of law to the ECJ.

Poland’s ruling Law and Justice party, a right-wing populist and eurosceptic movement, has clashed with Brussels for years over the hugely contentious reforms.

Warsaw has argued that the reforms will tackle corruption and root out Communist-era judges, but critics say the true purpose is to undermine the role of EU law and open the door to Poland quitting the EU.

Human rights groups are also concerned that the reforms would undermine the independence of the Polish judiciary as they could allow the government to expel judges on political grounds.

A further confrontation with Brussels could erupt on Thursday, when Poland may issue another ruling which will decide whether EU law has primacy over Polish law.

MEPs reacted with shock to the ruling on Wednesday and raised fears of a looming “Polexit,” or Polish exit, from the EU.

"The refusal to implement rulings of the European Court of Justice in Poland is a clear step towards taking Poland out of the European Union," Jeroen Lenaers, a Dutch MEP said.

"We fear that the Polish government is on the path to Polexit," he added.

“We are in the process of a legal Polexit which is taking place step by step," Poland's independent human rights ombudsman Adam Bodnar told reporters after the ruling.

Former EU Council chief Donald Tusk, head of the Polish opposition Civic Platform party, accused the government of "leaving the EU".

"Only we Poles can successfully oppose this," he tweeted.

While Poland - which joined the EU in 2004 - is run by a staunchly eurosceptic government, polls have consistently shown strong support for remaining in the bloc."
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15-07-2021, 11:30 AM
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Let the people have a say.

Former EU Council chief Donald Tusk, head of the Polish opposition Civic Platform party, accused the government of "leaving the EU".

"Only we Poles can successfully oppose this," he tweeted.

While Poland - which joined the EU in 2004 - is run by a staunchly eurosceptic government, polls have consistently shown strong support for remaining in the bloc."
A referendum the only way to see if the polls are accurate.
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They, the people should decide, via a referendum ... power to the people!!
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Originally Posted by LongDriver ->
They, the people should decide, via a referendum ... power to the people!!
Indeed.
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I read exactly the same story in today's DE. It looks to me that the Polish Government needs to hold an "In/Out" referendum asap to settle the issue if their court comes down in favour of local laws having primacy.
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Originally Posted by Percy Vere ->
I read exactly the same story in today's DE. It looks to me that the Polish Government needs to hold an "In/Out" referendum asap to settle the issue if their court comes down in favour of local laws having primacy.
I wonder if the word "referendum" has been forcibly expunged from all the EU Dictionaries.





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Hungary are, as expected, siding with Poland too I see.
As forewarned by many, it looks very much like some interesting times lay ahead of the EU because IMHO I don't see how they can get around these issues and save face.
Neither can they perform their usual trick of delaying tactics without going against their own long-held policies.
Popcorn time is drawing ever closer.
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If Poland leaves it would do no end of favours to the EU because they are the biggest receiver of everyone else money.
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Originally Posted by Bread ->
If Poland leaves it would do no end of favours to the EU because they are the biggest receiver of everyone else money.
It is absolutely true that they have been but that's unlikely to last much longer for a number of reasons, not least of which would be if Albania join as the EU Commission want them to.
Besides, the EU have already started witholding some of Polands funding in attempts to subjugate Poland and (just like us) Poles do not like to be bullied.

As I said earlier, how the growing disagreement is going to be resolved is going to be interesting.
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Originally Posted by Bread ->
If Poland leaves it would do no end of favours to the EU because they are the biggest receiver of everyone else money.
Perhaps so, but you can push people just so far.

Remember that the Poles were conquered by the Nazis and that's still in living memory.

On a more personal level, Polexit would benefit us. I'm sure the Poles would be open to a trade agreement with us. Add to that the distinct possibility of other East European states who are presently being bullied by the EU (notably Hungary) deciding to join them.

It must also have crossed the minds of the Brussels bureaucrats that Poland is their main satellite state keeping Russia at bay!
 
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