11-07-2019, 06:03 PM
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Re: Brexit and Boris.
Originally Posted by itsme
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Don't exist,7 days ago - Reality Check verdict: It is not true to say you can't have free ports or tax-free zones if you are a member state of the EU. There are more than 80 such zones across the Union. ... It also says "the Treasury currently has the power to designate free ports by Statutory Instrument".
The bumbling Trump poodle lied, and you know what? he knew he was lying.
He's just a lying bastard
11-07-2019, 08:49 PM
112
Re: Brexit and Boris.
Originally Posted by Realist
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Good to see you admit this crucial part of the debate a further time.You are admitting that YOU have no idea whether Boris was talking about normal Free Ports or EU Pseudo Free Ports.
Really good that you are admitting this as it is crucial to the point.
Ah you see, there you've made a fool of yourself again.
You can not accuse Boris of lying because YOU don't know what type of Free Port Boris was referring to. You plainly admitted this.
He could have been referring to normal free ports, in which case he ws telling the TRUTH
Or he could have been talking about EU Pseudo Free Ports, in which case he was lying.
It's one or the other, but you don't know which because by your own repeated admission you don't know what type of Free Ports Boris was referring to.
This really is not difficult to take on board.
Very very simple logic
Yet you appear to have grave difficulty with it and want to continually accuse Boris of lying.
You simply can not do that. You don't know if he was lying or not, because you don't know what type of Free Port he was referring to.
Continuing to accuse Boris of lying simply identifies you as a liar yourself. If you are going to be honest and truthful you MUST concede that you don't know whether he lied or told the truth. It's that simple.
It matters not what type of free port Boris was referring to as he made he didn’t raise it as an issue
It is however an empirical fact that the statement Boris made is not true and therefore was a lie
As far as your simple logic goes you’re no Mr Spock
11-07-2019, 10:23 PM
113
Re: Brexit and Boris.
Originally Posted by Banchory
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It matters not what type of free port Boris was referring to as he made he didn’t raise it as an issue
Originally Posted by Banchory
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It is however an empirical fact that the statement Boris made is not true and therefore was a lie
A simple question.
Do you assert that the UK can create a real Free Port whilst it remains in the EU? Not a pseudo free port, a real free port as per free ports the world over with no taxes etc.
11-07-2019, 11:10 PM
114
Re: Brexit and Boris.
Originally Posted by Realist
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Of course it matters. If he was referring to real Free Ports then he wasn't lying. It's clearly not a fact at all. Your repeating this falsehood doesn't make it fact.
A simple question.
Do you assert that the UK can create a real Free Port whilst it remains in the EU? Not a pseudo free port, a real free port as per free ports the world over with no taxes etc.
That statement is patently not true
You seem to have trouble comprehending what was actually said and keep trying to imply that Boris implied he was talking about real free ports and not pseudo free ports when he made no such distinction.
If he had qualified his statement along the lines of your conjecture we wouldn’t be having this discussion but he didn’t and You seem to be in a state of denial
Boris has repeatedly been caught out lying, it seems he can’t help himself and I have no time or sympathy for people like him.
11-07-2019, 11:34 PM
115
Re: Brexit and Boris.
Originally Posted by Banchory
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Boris only said that the EU was preventing the UK from setting up Free PortsThat statement is patently not true
Reality check confirms your opinion.
What we cannot determine is whether boris was lying since you don't know his intent. You may claim he was lying, I think he is just stupid and didn't know what he was talking about.
Please tell me, which is worse, a stupid pm or one who is a liar?
12-07-2019, 09:12 AM
116
Re: Brexit and Boris.
Originally Posted by Banchory
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Send Boris can’t help himself and continues to tell lies. The latest one is that membership of the EU prevents us from having Free Ports. No doubt the leavers are all lapping it up
Originally Posted by Bread
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Probably because the EU version of a free port is nothing like the definition of a free port anywhere else in the world.You might want to Google up why we don't have any free ports in the UK anymore. You could always email Boris I'm sure he would be glad to explain it to you.
Originally Posted by Banchory
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Wrong again
Originally Posted by Banchory
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Facts, an alien concept for you I know but here you gohttps://researchbriefings.files.parl...-2018-0211.pdf
12-07-2019, 09:18 AM
117
Re: Brexit and Boris.
Originally Posted by Banchory
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Boris only said that the EU was preventing the UK from setting up Free PortsThat statement is patently not true
It IS true IF he were referring to real free ports.
You have now resorted to simply being a troll on this issue, constantly repeating your own bare faced lies instead of engaging in proper debate and answering questions put to you.
You've proven repeatedly that you don't know what Boris was referring to. Therefore you have no basis on which to call him a liar.
So, it behoves YOU to PROVE to the rest of us that Boris was referring to Pseudo EU Free Ports. If that's what Boris was referring to then yes he was lying.
It's obvious however to the simplest of dullards that he was referring to REAL true free ports. On that basis Boris was not lying.
Originally Posted by Banchory
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You seem to have trouble comprehending what was actually said and keep trying to imply that Boris implied he was talking about real free ports and not pseudo free ports when he made no such distinction.
I shall end by asking you the same question I asked you earlier. A question which you ignored. Readers will note that you ignored it and failed to answer.
Do you assert that the UK would be able to create a REAL Free Port whilst it remains in the EU?
12-07-2019, 10:15 AM
118
Re: Brexit and Boris.
Originally Posted by Realist
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Billy BS BanchoryIt IS true IF he were referring to real free ports.
You have now resorted to simply being a troll on this issue, constantly repeating your own bare faced lies instead of engaging in proper debate and answering questions put to you.
You've proven repeatedly that you don't know what Boris was referring to. Therefore you have no basis on which to call him a liar.
So, it behoves YOU to PROVE to the rest of us that Boris was referring to Pseudo EU Free Ports. If that's what Boris was referring to then yes he was lying.
It's obvious however to the simplest of dullards that he was referring to REAL true free ports. On that basis Boris was not lying.
And by the exact same token you are implying he was talking about pseudo free ports and thus calling him a liar for it when as YOU have said he made no distiction. You're making a constant fool of yourself by not seeing that simple fact.
I shall end by asking you the same question I asked you earlier. A question which you ignored. Readers will note that you ignored it and failed to answer.
Do you assert that the UK would be able to create a REAL Free Port whilst it remains in the EU?
Pseudo ports do not exist and therefore the bumbling trump poodle could not have been referring to them.
The claim: The UK does not have free ports because of its membership of the EU.
Reality Check verdict: It is not true to say you can't have free ports or tax-free zones if you are a member state of the EU. There are more than 80 such zones across the Union. It would be easier to take advantage of potential benefits outside the EU.
12-07-2019, 10:24 AM
119
Re: Brexit and Boris.
Originally Posted by Realist
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Sigh. Just regurgitating the same content and sound bites Itsme. Everyone knows there are EXISTING free ports in the EU but for the most part they existed BEFORE those countries joined the EU and you know this well.Let's be real
European Parliament puts 'urgent' phasing out of freeports top of agenda
https://www.theartnewspaper.com/news...-top-of-agenda
"The European Parliament is calling for freeports to be scrapped across the European Union as part of a damning report on tax evasion and money laundering published last week. "
So in reality, no chance of any new free ports in the UK whilst we remain in the EU.
Why can’t we create Free Ports as a member of the Single Market and Customs Union?
https://www.cps.org.uk/files/reports...pportunity.pdf
"As a member of the EU Single Market and Customs Union, the UK does not have control over its trade policy. The UK is not able to set its own tariff/customs duties and administration."
"EU regulations would make it difficult to create US-style Free Trade Zones in the UK."
"The United Nations has concluded that: “Free Trade Zones as originally conceived do not exist anymore in the EU.”"
"After Ireland joined the EU, the country’s ability to continue its successful free Zone programme was significantly curtailed (see Chapter 3)."
and so on and on and on
Nothing has changed.
The UK simply can not create a REAL Free Port while it remains in the EU.
Just shot yourself in the foot sunshine,
Sigh. Just regurgitating the same content and sound bites Itsme. Everyone knows there are EXISTING free ports in the EU but for the most part they existed BEFORE those countries joined the EU and you know this well.
By association that means that some Free Ports where set up after actually joining the EU
12-07-2019, 10:32 AM
120
Re: Brexit and Boris.
[QUOTE=Bread;1743355]The story so far ..... the last post above ^^ is where Banchory agreed with Boris. Either that or he still doesn't know what a free port is - or he is getting confused with the factory outlet in Braintree[/Boris made a statement that was not true.
Brown nosing BJ and breathing his methane has obviously addled both your and Realist’s brains and you cannot differentiate lies from truth
If Boris had qualified his statement he may have saved face
But he didn’t and both you and Realist have yet to come up for air
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