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A different slant on things.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51157933

Looks like a hard Brexit after all, with some losers.
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Re: No Alignment with EU

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Hi

A different slant on things.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51157933

Looks like a hard Brexit after all, with some losers.
Once the trade negotiations start he will be told by boris to shut his trap.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51133846
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A different slant on things.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51157933

Looks like a hard Brexit after all, with some losers.
The two sides can’t even agree when talks should begin. London wants a February kick-off, hoping Johnson’s refusal to extend the transition period beyond 31 December will concentrate minds. But Brussels plans a March start, making a very ambitious timetable even tighter.

The EU wants to land access to the UK fishing waters by July, and to initially discuss that and goods. But Downing Street is keen not to let the EU dictate the timing and content of the talks. If that determination to set the agenda sounds familiar, that’s because it is.
In 2017, David Davis, then Brexit secretary, predicted the sequencing of the divorce talks would be “the row of the summer”. It wasn’t; May caved in. Her ministers confidently predicted they would “divide and rule” as differences between the EU27 surfaced. They didn’t; the EU remained united. Member states left the talks to the European Commission, blunting the UK’s efforts to pick off national leaders.
However, the UK will face the same EU negotiator across the table in Michel Barnier, and Johnson cannot assume the 27 will start squabbling amongst themselves.

If the EU refuses to compromise, ministers hint, Johnson would be prepared to walk out of the EU talks. They believe this would play well among the Tories’ new working class voters in the north and midlands.
But the EU have seen the no-deal movie too. May got in a pickle after saying that “no deal was better than a bad deal” but then decided the opposite was true. Johnson threatened no deal but ultimately signed up to one – 95 per cent of which was May’s agreement.
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Re: No Alignment with EU

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Once the trade negotiations start he will be told by boris to shut his trap.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51133846
As far as the EU is concerned, that can't happen until the beginning of March at the earliest because you first have to get your negotiating mandate debated and approved by the 27. By then we will be already 8 weeks at least into negotiations with the USA, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, Canada etc and you will have to first compete with them for trade with them and also come up with something we might actually want, that we can't get cheaper or better from them.
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By then we will be already 8 weeks at least into negotiations with the USA, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, Canada etc and you will have to first compete with them for trade with them and also come up with something we might actually want, that we can't get cheaper or better from them.
You think the UK hasn't already knocked on those doors? If not the british are more stupid than possible. Because, even though it is not allowed as an individual member to sign trade deals with third parties, it is quite legitimate to have trade negotiations in advance of your leaving.
If there are no talks already, as you suggest, third parties were not interested in trade with the UK. That doesn't bode well for future trade deals.
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As far as the EU is concerned, that can't happen until the beginning of March at the earliest because you first have to get your negotiating mandate debated and approved by the 27. By then we will be already 8 weeks at least into negotiations with the USA, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, Canada etc and you will have to first compete with them for trade with them and also come up with something we might actually want, that we can't get cheaper or better from them.
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The EU already have a FTA with Japan and Canada.

We will have to renegotiate them and both Japan and Canada have said they will wait and see what our deal with the EU is before opening negotiations.

We have failed to recruit the large number of technical staff to enable us to do multiple trade negotiations simultaneously.

We have deals ready to go with South Korea and Switzerland which are roll overs.

The big ones we need to concentrate on are the USA and EU.

It is not just a matter of buying things cheaper, we also need to protect our exports.
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19-01-2020, 10:58 AM
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The EU already have a FTA with Japan and Canada.

We will have to renegotiate them and both Japan and Canada have said they will wait and see what our deal with the EU is before opening negotiations.

We have failed to recruit the large number of technical staff to enable us to do multiple trade negotiations simultaneously.

We have deals ready to go with South Korea and Switzerland which are roll overs.

The big ones we need to concentrate on are the USA and EU.

It is not just a matter of buying things cheaper, we also need to protect our exports.

The EU has no FTAs outside the single market that have been completed or ratified.
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The EU has no FTAs outside the single market that have been completed or ratified.
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Really?

What about this lot

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe...ade_agreements
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Really?

What about this lot

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe...ade_agreements

They aren't completed or ratified, unless they have been in the last couple of weeks
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19-01-2020, 12:12 PM
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Re: No Alignment with EU

Originally Posted by Solasch ->
Once the trade negotiations start he will be told by boris to shut his trap.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51133846
The PM and the chancellor dont make statements without having
consulted each other or others in the cabinet Solly!
So anything they say seperately has allready been agreed amongst
them!
So you can take it hat what the chancellor said is the current
policy!
So far Boris has stood firm and he is a vast difference to Theresa
the appeaser imo?
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