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I really do not understand your logic.

The EU , Germany in particular, has been underfunding it's armed forces for years.

NATO has worked effectively for years, why change it?
Because the EU/Merkel can't control NATO.

Simples!
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Just a query but my understanding is USA pays far more I than anyone else, can we make that up if they walk away ?
We pay our round, the remaining NATO countries do not. They rely on the Americans, interesting point to note, the Dutch Army do not work weekends.
Without the American military NATO will be toothless, we, the British have more fighter aircraft in Hendon Air Force museum than we have operational, Switzerland has more main battle tanks than us.
Not to worry though, in the event of hostilities the British Goverment will outsource our defence to G4S.
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Originally Posted by Julie1962 ->
Just a query but my understanding is USA pays far more I than anyone else, can we make that up if they walk away ?
No. I believe that if America withdraws from NATO, it is quite likely that the rest of NATO will prove ineffective. As SF says, most of the European countries contribute much less per head than we do, and we ought to be paying more.

I don't think that America would walk away anyway. Even they rely to an extent on us: Fylingdales and Menwith Hill are just two important assets on our soil. Fylingdales forms one of three strategically placed radar installations (along with Alaska and Greenland) covering the most likely direction from which Russian ICBMs would approach (them), and Menwith Hill is a 'listening' station for this part of the world.

They have many more military installations here and in Europe and we, to be quite frank, form one of several 'buffer states' for them against threats from the east.
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13-11-2016, 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Rehab44 ->
We pay our round, the remaining NATO countries do not. They rely on the Americans, interesting point to note, the Dutch Army do not work weekends.
Without the American military NATO will be toothless, we, the British have more fighter aircraft in Hendon Air Force museum than we have operational, Switzerland has more main battle tanks than us.
Not to worry though, in the event of hostilities the British Goverment will outsource our defence to G4S.
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Turkey is pretty well armed though and still a member of NATO, you know.
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13-11-2016, 09:19 PM
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Thanks for the replies. All sounds a bit messy but I guess they know what they are doing.
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13-11-2016, 09:37 PM
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No. I believe that if America withdraws from NATO, it is quite likely that the rest of NATO will prove ineffective. As SF says, most of the European countries contribute much less per head than we do, and we ought to be paying more.

I don't think that America would walk away anyway. Even they rely to an extent on us: Fylingdales and Menwith Hill are just two important assets on our soil. Fylingdales forms one of three strategically placed radar installations (along with Alaska and Greenland) covering the most likely direction from which Russian ICBMs would approach (them), and Menwith Hill is a 'listening' station for this part of the world.

They have many more military installations here and in Europe and we, to be quite frank, form one of several 'buffer states' for them against threats from the east.
The Americans always prefer to fight their wars on other people's soil, and its always good for future business if all your allies infrastructure has been reduced to rubble by bombing and they then become reliant on America. How long did it take us to pay off Lend Lease after WW2?
Just googled the same question 2006, ten years ago!

We cannot afford to go to war if America is on our side. Now that the POTUS is also a businessman any future help from the US will cost. So, hide your daughters and the best cutlery, Donald is coming.
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Turkey is pretty well armed though and still a member of NATO, you know.
So is Iceland who don't have an Army
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13-11-2016, 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Rehab44 ->
The Americans always prefer to fight their wars on other people's soil, and its always good for future business if all your allies infrastructure has been reduced to rubble by bombing and they then become reliant on America. How long did it take us to pay off Lend Lease after WW2?
Just googled the same question 2006, ten years ago!

We cannot afford to go to war if America is on our side. Now that the POTUS is also a businessman any future help from the US will cost. So, hide your daughters and the best cutlery, Donald is coming.
America would be quick to help us out if we could find oil in Yorkshire....
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America would be quick to help us out if we could find oil in Yorkshire....
Oh dear, so young and cynical
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Originally Posted by Rehab44 ->
The Americans always prefer to fight their wars on other people's soil, and its always good for future business if all your allies infrastructure has been reduced to rubble by bombing and they then become reliant on America. How long did it take us to pay off Lend Lease after WW2?
Just googled the same question 2006, ten years ago!

We cannot afford to go to war if America is on our side. Now that the POTUS is also a businessman any future help from the US will cost. So, hide your daughters and the best cutlery, Donald is coming.
You're right. Perhaps we should, very politely, decline to take part in future conflicts unless, of course, it is to our advantage.
 
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