06-09-2016, 05:56 PM
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Re: Technology
Originally Posted by Realist
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That's a terribly naïve statement Galty and of course you have no evidence to back up the claim that only one site is affected. What the data shows is that only one site has been caught red handed via use of Admin accounts.It's like saying that people don't generally embezzle pension funds because you've only heard of Robert Maxwell being caught. A total nonsense.
The scandal highlights that software indisputably does have "admin modes" and/or back doors and you'd be terribly stupid to believe that no other software has such.
Yep. The Feds actually busted 3 sites, Full-Tilt, Pokerstars and another on what was deemed back then as "Black Friday". They shut down for a period whilst the Feds did their thing, which of course was nothing to do with corrupt behaviour but the fact that all this online gaming was taking money out of the US and the governments weren't getting a bean in tax. They obviously wanted a slice of the action. So, short smack on the wrists, show them who is boss and then suddenly the sites are back up and running. Money laundering, dodgy card outcomes, massive player collusion, use of bots, none of that an issue, just swept under the carpet.
Nope. Like I said. I studied this for a long time. Gathered many 1000s of hand histories, from different people, pumped them into Poker Tracker (the defacto analysis tool) and looked at the results. The figures were way off.
Unfortunately no matter how much of that kind of evidence one presents, the stooges will always cry "you need more samples , statistically irrelevant" etc.
For 2 years I investigated this stuff. Followed behaviours of players. Watched accounts that I believed to be Admin accounts. I posted about it many times on forums. I was even a moderator of a poker forum.
The game is simply not safe, not in the slightest. Quite aside from the blatantly obvious "rigged for action" card dealing, there are the unstoppable issues of player collusion, bots, screen capture malware that shows other players your screen and a whole lot more. It's a massive $billion industry and no-one is going to challenge it any more than they are going to challenge the Italian Mafia.
Bottom line is therefore just to steer well clear.
I can see that like so many others you believe you have great poker skills and that skills count in online poker. Sadly they don't. Skills only count in genuine Bricks & Mortar poker rooms. 1000s of genuine players have openly testified that they can pawn real poker tables but that online poker is unbeatable.
As stated I play at least 3 times a week as you put it Bricks and mortor and the bad beats are the same as on line.
As with Black Friday a lot more than 3 sites were shut down because of a knee jerk reaction by the Feds which they admitted later they were wrong about.
On line Poker sites such as Party and 888 have started up again in some states but all forigen players are banned.
As said before Losing players like you blame everthing else except your self for being a loser.
06-09-2016, 08:54 PM
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Re: Technology
Originally Posted by Rehab44
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That's a bit harsh Galty, the research seems sound.
Poker Bot Software:
http://www.poker-bot.org/main/
http://www.holdem-poker-bot.com/
http://www.bonusbots.com/holdempokerbot.htm
Player Collusion:
http://www.onlinepokerwinning.com/Poker_Collusion.php
http://www.pokercheatingsystem.com/a...oesnt-Work.htm
"It is estimated that as many as one out of every five online poker tables contains at least some players working in collusion in some way."
The article above claims that for most punters, collusion doesn't help them much. Clearly however there will be plenty of good players out there who DO greatly benefit from collusion. The same articale also states:
"True, there are ways to cheat at online poker. "
Another older BBC article here from 2010:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11250835
"Mr Broadbent is one 25,000 players recently awarded compensation after falling victim to Chinese card sharps on the world's largest internet poker site, Pokerstars."
"The case is not an isolated one. Previously, Pokerstars refunded $80,000 (£52,000) to players who unwittingly went up against poker "bots" - automatic card-playing software programmes."
"The problem for the authorities and the gaming companies is that it is virtually impossible to prevent collusion like this, because players can share information about their hands via the phone or internet messenger without being detected."
You can read and interpret all this information in 2 ways. You can be naïve, like ordinary people who think the State will look after them, and believe that when you play on these sites the site will actively protect you, look after you and that compensation cheques will arrive into your account regularly.
All of which is utter nonsense.
Or, you can have a semblance of common sense and understand that where money is concerned, people will always turn a blind eye. Large poker sites are there solely to make a ton of money, absolutely $billions. It is NOT in their interest to continually detect and punish cheaters and pay out large compensation to victims. The naïve view is that it MUST be in their interests because a safe site means good custom. The reality is that the world is chock full of poker addicts and cheaters who will ALWAYS keep coming back no matter what.
So, IF (and it's a big if) YOU the player THINK there is something hooky going on, and IF you gather up enough evidence and IF you complain to the poker site then they will look into it. If you are just one isolated Joe Bloggs they will likely fob you off, "nothing to see here sir". If enough people collectively get together with evidence such that it is going to damage the PR of the company, then, they will do a proper investigation and sort things out.
In reality, mug punter players don't even realise that they are being cheated. The bad beats, and collusion happen so often you wouldn't know what was real and what was cheating.
Either way, the problem persists. There is NOTHING at all sites can do to stop people colluding. Nothing. You will always be free to phone up your mate, or Skype or MS Chat whilst you are playing on the same table and discuss each other's holdings. If you were dumb enough to do that with the same accounts and do so frequently then yes the site software will detect you. If you are not dumb, and are part of a group with 100s of accounts which are rotated then no, the software isn't going to bat an eyelid.
Understand that the sites make $billions from cards being dealt. They take a rake % from every hand. That's all that matters. No-one cares about you being cheated unless you are part of a large group that will cause a rumpuss.
People cheat in the stock market on an hourly basis through all manner of ways. Pump and dumps, momentum trading, ramping, deramping, multi-alias chat board posting, market maker shinanigans and tons more. The FCA is supposed to be there to regulate things. In practice it does sweet FA. The exception are the large cases involving many people.
In the end the moral here is stay away from online poker. You WILL lose a ton of money. You will win as soon as you first sign up, I guarantee it, that's the "Honeymoon period". You will appear to be a poker God, unbeatable, and then the hammer will come down and you will lose from there. Your choice.
07-09-2016, 02:54 AM
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Re: Technology
Originally Posted by Realist
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Indeed it is.Poker Bot Software:
http://www.poker-bot.org/main/
http://www.holdem-poker-bot.com/
http://www.bonusbots.com/holdempokerbot.htm
Player Collusion:
http://www.onlinepokerwinning.com/Poker_Collusion.php
http://www.pokercheatingsystem.com/a...oesnt-Work.htm
"It is estimated that as many as one out of every five online poker tables contains at least some players working in collusion in some way."
The article above claims that for most punters, collusion doesn't help them much. Clearly however there will be plenty of good players out there who DO greatly benefit from collusion. The same articale also states:
"True, there are ways to cheat at online poker. "
Another older BBC article here from 2010:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11250835
"Mr Broadbent is one 25,000 players recently awarded compensation after falling victim to Chinese card sharps on the world's largest internet poker site, Pokerstars."
"The case is not an isolated one. Previously, Pokerstars refunded $80,000 (£52,000) to players who unwittingly went up against poker "bots" - automatic card-playing software programmes."
"The problem for the authorities and the gaming companies is that it is virtually impossible to prevent collusion like this, because players can share information about their hands via the phone or internet messenger without being detected."
You can read and interpret all this information in 2 ways. You can be naïve, like ordinary people who think the State will look after them, and believe that when you play on these sites the site will actively protect you, look after you and that compensation cheques will arrive into your account regularly.
All of which is utter nonsense.
Or, you can have a semblance of common sense and understand that where money is concerned, people will always turn a blind eye. Large poker sites are there solely to make a ton of money, absolutely $billions. It is NOT in their interest to continually detect and punish cheaters and pay out large compensation to victims. The naïve view is that it MUST be in their interests because a safe site means good custom. The reality is that the world is chock full of poker addicts and cheaters who will ALWAYS keep coming back no matter what.
So, IF (and it's a big if) YOU the player THINK there is something hooky going on, and IF you gather up enough evidence and IF you complain to the poker site then they will look into it. If you are just one isolated Joe Bloggs they will likely fob you off, "nothing to see here sir". If enough people collectively get together with evidence such that it is going to damage the PR of the company, then, they will do a proper investigation and sort things out.
In reality, mug punter players don't even realise that they are being cheated. The bad beats, and collusion happen so often you wouldn't know what was real and what was cheating.
Either way, the problem persists. There is NOTHING at all sites can do to stop people colluding. Nothing. You will always be free to phone up your mate, or Skype or MS Chat whilst you are playing on the same table and discuss each other's holdings. If you were dumb enough to do that with the same accounts and do so frequently then yes the site software will detect you. If you are not dumb, and are part of a group with 100s of accounts which are rotated then no, the software isn't going to bat an eyelid.
Understand that the sites make $billions from cards being dealt. They take a rake % from every hand. That's all that matters. No-one cares about you being cheated unless you are part of a large group that will cause a rumpuss.
People cheat in the stock market on an hourly basis through all manner of ways. Pump and dumps, momentum trading, ramping, deramping, multi-alias chat board posting, market maker shinanigans and tons more. The FCA is supposed to be there to regulate things. In practice it does sweet FA. The exception are the large cases involving many people.
In the end the moral here is stay away from online poker. You WILL lose a ton of money. You will win as soon as you first sign up, I guarantee it, that's the "Honeymoon period". You will appear to be a poker God, unbeatable, and then the hammer will come down and you will lose from there. Your choice.
07-09-2016, 05:30 PM
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Re: Technology
Originally Posted by Realist
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You quoted that whole piece just to make that silly statement! Enjoy your losses Galty.
07-09-2016, 05:36 PM
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Re: Technology
I've said as much as I can.It is the nature of ALL online gaming, be it bingo, poker, slots, whatever that you WILL win at first, and then steadily lose. Like slot machines themselves they will always give you periodic wins to keep you hooked. It's a formula that's been in existence for many many years.
I should also mention that I sussed and busted online bingo very quickly after experiencing online poker. Anyone who plays online bingo is an absolute mug/sap imo. You will never come out on top, the odds are incredibly stacked against you, but the average punter has no clue what those true odds are. The con with online bingo is that you THINK you are in a game with say just 50 people. In reality it is more likely to be 500 people, but there is absolutely no way for you to know that. The prize money they pay out each game is so tiny compared to the number of people playing that you can never win.
07-09-2016, 05:41 PM
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Re: Technology
Originally Posted by Rehab44
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Galty, am I right in assuming that you are actually in profit from gambling on line?
But its call varicance.
I play low level cash25/50 cents and $1 tournie Sats to bigger Live Games
Playing live Tournies were the stakes are a lot higher am a losing player to much more money than above post.
Which might just go to prove that On Line poker is as straight as playing at a Casino.
Playing live you relise the Chancers the Rocks the Bluffers the calling stations and the loose drunks as you can also do with On line poker with the help of HUDS which also show the Bots almost straight away and you can win off them.
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