Biden and the USA's stance towards China

Contrary to some rumours before the Presidentials over in the USA, with the advent of Biden as POTUS it is looking like the USA will increasingly take a hardline stance against China - one which many think is desperately necessary too.

Today for example the USA has warned Beijing regarding a big Chinese incursion by a number of aircraft into Taiwan's air defence zone.
The USA also has an aircraft carrier group promoting "freedom of the seas" in the South China Sea where China continues to try and insist it has control in areas that have been long-disputed and/or are reconized as international waters.

One difficulty for the USA is of course in garnering support for this stance, and hence Biden having what we are told was a genial and upbeat chat with Boris in supposedly the first call to be made beyond the Americas for the new President.
The EU you see are pandering to China (with the recent investment agreement for example) as they still do with Russia - which is of course another concern for the USA.
In fact the EU's stance towards China is likely to soften further with Merkel's replacement and with the EU's Von der Leyen-led Commission being the ones responsible for the Chinese agreement.

So will the USA seek closer ties and agreements with the UK as a result of these, contrary to the implied favouring of the EU which we were previously told (by a pro-EU contingent, I should point out) would be most likely?
How will this sit with Biden's supposed preference for Ireland if he does seek that aid of the UK in taking a tougher stance towards China?
Perhaps of greatest importance; what do we think China's reaction to all of this will be?

Here too I think there are interesting times ahead.

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Is nobody honestly interested enough to make any comments about what will very probably become the biggest danger apart from a virus to face the Western world ( if it isn't already ) ?

Merkel has sidled even closer to China, saying (basically) that she and the EU should not acknowledge the difference between a free and democratic society and a confrontational, genocidal communist state and that they should not choose between the two.
But she has chosen.
She and the EU have formed pacts with China, purely (it would appear) because of greed.
Just as they have with Russia because of the greed for cheap gas and oil.

I'm pretty sure that Biden won't be the only one concerned with an attitude like this coming from what is supposed to be an ally.

https://www.politico.eu/article/merk...old-war-blocs/

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The EU don't have much choice when it comes to China because of the Belt and Road initiative and the loans made to the 27 from the Chinese State Banks.

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Funny you should start this thread Zaphod, 'cos I was thinking along the same lines. I received an email from an American friend that makes very thought provoking reading. I shall paste it verbatim below. The source is quoted as Michael Snyder, Guest Post. Guest post of what I have no idea.

In future, China will employ millions of American workers and dominate thousands of small communities all over the United States. Chinese acquisition of US businesses set a new all-time record last year, and it is on pace to shatter that record this year.

The Smithfield Foods acquisition is an example. Smithfield Foods is the largest pork producer and processor in the world. It has facilities in 26 US states and it employs tens of thousands of Americans. It directly owns 460 farms and has contracts with approximately 2,100 others. But now a Chinese company has bought it for $ 4.7 billion, and that means that the Chinese will now be the most important employer in dozens of rural communities all over America.

Thanks in part to our massively bloated trade deficit with China, the Chinese have trillions of dollars to spend. They are only just starting to exercise their economic muscle.

It is important to keep in mind that there is often not much of a difference between "the Chinese government" and "Chinese corporations". In 2011, 43 percent of all profits in China were produced by companies where the Chinese government had a controlling interest.

Last year a Chinese company spent $2.6 billion to purchase AMC entertainment - one of the largest movie theatre chains in the United States. Now that Chinese company controls more movie ticket sales than anyone else in the world.

But China is not just relying on acquisitions to expand its economic power.

"Economic beachheads" are being established all over America. For example, Golden Dragon Precise Copper Tube Group, Inc. recently broke ground on a $100 million plant in Thomasville, Alabama. Many of the residents of Thomasville, Alabama will be glad to have jobs, but it will also become yet another community that will now be heavily dependent on communist China.

And guess where else Chinese companies are putting down roots? Detroit. Chinese-owned companies are investing in American businesses and new vehicle technology, selling everything from seat belts to shock absorbers in retail stores, and hiring experienced engineers and designers in an effort to soak up the talent and expertise of domestic automakers and their suppliers. If you recently purchased an "American-made" vehicle, there is a really good chance that it has a number of Chinese parts in it. Industry analysts are hard-pressed to put a number on the Chinese suppliers operating in the United States.

China seems particularly interested in acquiring energy resources in the United States.

For example, China is actually mining for coal in the mountains of Tennessee. Guizhou Gouchuang Energy Holdings Group spent 616 million dollars to acquire Triple H Coal Co. in Jacksboro, Tennessee. At the time, that acquisition really didn't make much news, but now a group of conservatives in Tennessee is trying to stop the Chinese from blowing up their mountains and taking their coal.

And pretty soon China may want to build entire cities in the United States just like they have been doing in other countries. Right now China is actually building a city larger than Manhattan just outside Minsk, the capital of Belarus.

There's more but it is a little off this topic so I'll leave it at that.

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It was Obama and Biden who allowed China to get such a foothold into the USA in the first place.

Expect more of this now that China has it's man in the White House.

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That alone is enough to make you shudder.

Add to it the Chinese expansion of their armed forces and their territorial assertions, plus their blatant genocide and "education" programmes and I don't see how anybody can not be concerned.

We will see but I strongly doubt it.
The language coming out of the USA so far together with the choice of Biden appointees certainly doesn't suggest that stance for a start.

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We will see Zaphod.

Remember it was the Paris Climate agreement that destroyed their manufacturing and hence states that were involved in heavy industry and steel became the "Rust Belt".

Day 1 - Biden signs the USA back up to it.

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The "rust belt" existed before the Paris Climate Agreement. According to Wiki: The Rust Belt is a region of the Northeastern and Midwestern United States that has been experiencing industrial decline starting around 1980.

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It was a lot worse due to the steel dumping that Obama made possible when he was in power with Biden

Biden now announces a minimum wage of $15 an hour - that means more jobs to China.

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No he hasn't.
Not yet at least.
Yes that was part of his minifesto pledge so he might get that in, but it certainly isn't there yet.

It doesn't necessarily equate to more jobs for China either; that depends upon a whole host of other things, not least of which is future policy regarding China - and TBH I don't see support for a softening in stance in the chambers.