20-09-2018, 09:25 PM
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Re: Canada-style deal
Originally Posted by AnnieS
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I was responding to the post where you said that the leave campaign promised a bespoke deal. In terms of your last para, that's also how I feel about politics on a national level. Leaving the EU won't give people on a local level any more say than they had before. But it will make their daily lives a lot harder if there is no deal and we end up with months (or more) of disruption. My main concern is people who are elderly and vulnerable and may be hit by higher prices or meds shortages. EU citizens already uncertain about their situation may choose to up sticks. Food and power are my other concerns. A no deal is going to most hurt those who cannot help themselves.
It's probably comparable to a war in terms of disruption to supplies. They can plan for it but it will be a major shock.
You have said yourself that it is a bad thing.
I've said that I can live with brexit if they do it properly and don't cause the above. That would require a pragmatic deal and several years of transition to minimise any negative effects on the economy. I have no idea why people are in such a hurry about something so major.
It is no good arguing about this without any real evidence. After all, despite all the Project Fear warnings I have noticed absolutely no problems yet, although the EU mandarins having been doing as much as they can to frighten us.
Time will tell, of course.
20-09-2018, 09:36 PM
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JBR it is similar to planning for war. There is the known that we can plan for and the unknown which could mess up any plans. After 9/11 I had to do an awful lot of work redoing all the budgets with different risk scenarios because I worked in financial services at the time and we were directly affected. It was a blinking nightmare with all the variables and I think I had to work all night all weekend at one point. Uncertainty is not easy but this is like nothing we have seen in this country. My final budgets were pretty accurate by the way.20-09-2018, 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by AnnieS
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JBR it is similar to planning for war. There is the known that we can plan for and the unknown which could mess up any plans. After 9/11 I had to do an awful lot of work redoing all the budgets with different risk scenarios because I worked in financial services at the time and we were directly affected. It was a blinking nightmare with all the variables and I think I had to work all night all weekend at one point. Uncertainty is not easy but this is like nothing we have seen in this country. My final budgets were pretty accurate by the way.
Apart from that, I agree that much administrative work will have to be done. But fear not, we have a vast army of civil servants who, presumably, are doing that right now. Or I hope they are!
On the other hand, the even vaster army of EU civil servants will also be burning the midnight oil in working out how to make up for the loss of our very generous financial contributions to their coffers!
Project Fear concentrates on their perceived consequences of our escape from the Empire, but I never hear anything of how the EU will suffer.
Perhaps that's why Barmy and others are trying to scare us into coming back into the fold!
20-09-2018, 10:14 PM
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I didn't say it was war, it just messed up a lot of finances at the time. I am saying this is more serious and I very much doubt that civil servants will be working nights.The EU suffering is of no consequence to anyone worrying about their medicines. They will be worried about whether anyone will be around to drive the ambulance. But from a financial point of view it's all waste and nonsense. This is not the way to manage something like this. You blame TM, I blame DC.
21-09-2018, 10:52 AM
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Re: Canada-style deal
Originally Posted by JBR
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9/11 was not war; it was terrorism.Apart from that, I agree that much administrative work will have to be done. But fear not, we have a vast army of civil servants who, presumably, are doing that right now. Or I hope they are!
On the other hand, the even vaster army of EU civil servants will also be burning the midnight oil in working out how to make up for the loss of our very generous financial contributions to their coffers!
Project Fear concentrates on their perceived consequences of our escape from the Empire, but I never hear anything of how the EU will suffer.
Perhaps that's why Barmy and others are trying to scare us into coming back into the fold!
On 31 March 2017, there were 332,800 Civil Service employees in England, 43,220 in Scotland, 32,440 in Wales and 3,760 in Northern Ireland. The number of civil servants increased in Wales by 4.1%, in Northern Ireland by 6.7% and in Scotland by 0.4%. The number of civil servants employed overseas increased by 0.3%.19 Jul 2017.
The total number of people who work for the EU is 46,356 made up of European Commission 24,428, Court of Justice 1,998, Council of European Union 3,072, European Parliament 6,739, Other 10,119.
Makes you wonder what the extra 286,444 UK Civil Servants are doing when it only takes 46,356 to run an organization of over 500m when we need 332,800 to run and organization of 65m
21-09-2018, 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by itsme
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Oh dear, you got it wrong again,On 31 March 2017, there were 332,800 Civil Service employees in England, 43,220 in Scotland, 32,440 in Wales and 3,760 in Northern Ireland. The number of civil servants increased in Wales by 4.1%, in Northern Ireland by 6.7% and in Scotland by 0.4%. The number of civil servants employed overseas increased by 0.3%.19 Jul 2017.
The total number of people who work for the EU is 46,356 made up of European Commission 24,428, Court of Justice 1,998, Council of European Union 3,072, European Parliament 6,739, Other 10,119.
Makes you wonder what the extra 286,444 UK Civil Servants are doing when it only takes 46,356 to run an organization of over 500m when we need 332,800 to run and organization of 65m
A completely misleading post.
Like for like you would need to add up the number of civil servants in each EU Country.
In relation to Trade Negotiators, which is what this is about, the EU has several hundred specialist and experienced Trade Negotiators, we have had to start from scratch.
They also have the specialist legal teams, which again we do not.
The EU have been doing our negotiating for 40 years, we have a lot of catching up to do.
22-09-2018, 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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HiA completely misleading post.
Like for like you would need to add up the number of civil servants in each EU Country.
In relation to Trade Negotiators, which is what this is about, the EU has several hundred specialist and experienced Trade Negotiators, we have had to start from scratch.
They also have the specialist legal teams, which again we do not.
The EU have been doing our negotiating for 40 years, we have a lot of catching up to do.
Miss leading? I don't think so as I was replying to the above paragraph in the post which as can be seen did not make reference to each individual country.
22-09-2018, 10:00 AM
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Re: Canada-style deal
Originally Posted by itsme
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On the other hand, the even vaster army of EU civil servants will also be burning the midnight oil in working out how to make up for the loss of our very generous financial contributions to their coffers!
22-09-2018, 10:34 AM
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HiI did not want to leave the EU, it was a painful decision for me
So many missed opportunities for the UK.
We should have stayed in and fought, used our veto and blocked the utter stupidity of where the EU was heading,
We did not, we backed down.
I am very, very sad that we are leaving, I expected more backbone .
To my mind we have to leave and just take it on the chin.
It will hurt, but is worth it.
I will not ever give in to Blackmail.
Varadkar can get stuffed.
He is using Brexit for his own Political Advancement.
Time to lay the law down to him.
We will not be threatened, a No Deal means a Hard Boarder, so swan off .
We will totally and utterly destroy the Irish Economy.
There will never be a United Ireland.
Your choice. live with it.
This is not want I want, but if you persist this is what you will get.
No more Common Travel Area and millions of Irish Citizens treated the same as Lithuanians.
Every Irish National here will be denied a NI Number and they will be forced to pay for Health Insurance.
That is what Leo is threatening the UK with.
We should respond in kind.
No Deal means we can stop every single Irish Export arriving in the UK.
His choice, not ours.
22-09-2018, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by solo
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Well said itsme
I really hope you don't suffer from some kind of visual impairment and I'm sure you wouldn't want to deceive people (Oh yeh) by only repeating part of the post that suits (can that be classed as misinformation) so I am re-posting it for you.
will also be burning the midnight oil in working out how to make up for the loss of our very generous financial cohe other hand, the even vaster army of EU civil servants will also be burning the midnight oil in working out how to make up for the loss of our very generous financial contributions to their coffers!
Miss leading? I don't think so as I was replying to the above paragraph in the post which as can be seen did not make reference to each individual country.
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