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25-07-2018, 04:07 PM
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TRUST! - Does the Conservative Party Know The Meaning?

Trust - And The Record of the Tories.


Theresa May is in for a short, sharp shock if she gives any more concessions to the EU.

She seems to think that the recent ratings of the Conservative Party when a poll asked which party they would vote for were there to be a General Election tomorrow, and the majority saying Conservative, seems to have her believing that this gives her the right to continue on her path of betrayal to the Leave voters. Okay, the Tories have been leading by a few percentage points ahead of Labour recently, but Theresa May herself has lost the trust of a great majority of Leave voters in the last few weeks.
So although the Tory party may well be smirking when they see the polling figures, I can guarantee their smug retorts of “crisis, What crisis? We are still in the lead”, will come back to give them a resounding smack in the face when it finally counts.

Trust in our government is paramount. There is a great deal of difference to answering a poll of who we prefer to be governing us- Tories or Labour? - and Theresa May failing to deliver the Brexit we voted for, Believe me, she is Toast! I personally believe that the Tory party will be badly damaged for a long time to come.

David Cameron spent £9 million of taxpayers money, promising that the result of the Referendum would be implemented and that it was a once-in-a-generation choice. Again, both Cameron and Labour stood up and told us that a vote to leave would mean leaving the Single Market, the Customs Union, ending free movement and the jurisdiction of the ECHR.
I personally believe these four red lines were the reason so many people voted to leave, More than at any time in our national history.

We just about managed to stomach the two year extension after Brexit, even though it tried every Leaver's patience to the fore, but the suggestion of some, that a further period with no end-date in sight, where we would be held ransom to every rule by the EU, plus the only way we would be allowed to leave would be on the say-so of the EU and Ireland, is too much for Leavers to even listen to. The thought that our future, our destiny, would be decided by unelected W….kers in Brussels and a country that is only a spit in size and economy when compared to the rest of the UK, is completely laughable if it wasn’t so serious.
It would cause absolute public fury!

For anyone pooh- poohing that thought about the Tories being out on their ear toot sweet in the very near future over trust - can I remind you of the following.

Ted Heath (TORY) took us into the then Common Market (without a referendum by the people)

Harold Wilson (LABOUR ) then gave us a referendum,(even though the campaign was skewered in favour of remaining in the then EEC)

Margaret Thatcher and John Major (TORIES) signed the Single Market and The Maastricht Treaty, without giving the British people a referendum on whether we wanted our sovereignty to be taken from us.

And then, of course, we have David Cameron,(TORY) who gave a cast-iron guarantee that if elected, he would give a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty, The same David Cameron, whom once elected, just as quickly, broke that pledge!
The same David Cameron who, through fear of UKIP’s success at the time, declared that there was to be a referendum to remain or leave the EU, so convinced was he that we would be remaining, promised to be the one to trigger Article 50, and to stick around to see our departure, All we saw of him after breaking both of those pledges, was the dust cloud he left as he scarpered out of Number 10.

Not a lot to trust the Tories with, is there? Their record when it comes to EU matters is not exactly unblemished!!

And of course, we now come to our Theresa May, a known Remainer when she took office, pledging to the electorate when chosen by Parliament to be our esteemed leader, to see Brexit completed, with our red lines respected in full.

Can anyone see a pattern forming?
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25-07-2018, 04:09 PM
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Let us eat cake.

Lets not fall for anymore Maytrix
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Originally Posted by shropshiregirl ->
Trust - And The Record of the Tories.


Theresa May is in for a short, sharp shock if she gives any more concessions to the EU.

She seems to think that the recent ratings of the Conservative Party when a poll asked which party they would vote for were there to be a General Election tomorrow, and the majority saying Conservative, seems to have her believing that this gives her the right to continue on her path of betrayal to the Leave voters. Okay, the Tories have been leading by a few percentage points ahead of Labour recently, but Theresa May herself has lost the trust of a great majority of Leave voters in the last few weeks.
So although the Tory party may well be smirking when they see the polling figures, I can guarantee their smug retorts of “crisis, What crisis? We are still in the lead”, will come back to give them a resounding smack in the face when it finally counts.

Trust in our government is paramount. There is a great deal of difference to answering a poll of who we prefer to be governing us- Tories or Labour? - and Theresa May failing to deliver the Brexit we voted for, Believe me, she is Toast! I personally believe that the Tory party will be badly damaged for a long time to come.

David Cameron spent £9 million of taxpayers money, promising that the result of the Referendum would be implemented and that it was a once-in-a-generation choice. Again, both Cameron and Labour stood up and told us that a vote to leave would mean leaving the Single Market, the Customs Union, ending free movement and the jurisdiction of the ECHR.
I personally believe these four red lines were the reason so many people voted to leave, More than at any time in our national history.

We just about managed to stomach the two year extension after Brexit, even though it tried every Leaver's patience to the fore, but the suggestion of some, that a further period with no end-date in sight, where we would be held ransom to every rule by the EU, plus the only way we would be allowed to leave would be on the say-so of the EU and Ireland, is too much for Leavers to even listen to. The thought that our future, our destiny, would be decided by unelected W….kers in Brussels and a country that is only a spit in size and economy when compared to the rest of the UK, is completely laughable if it wasn’t so serious.
It would cause absolute public fury!

For anyone pooh- poohing that thought about the Tories being out on their ear toot sweet in the very near future over trust - can I remind you of the following.

Ted Heath (TORY) took us into the then Common Market (without a referendum by the people)

Harold Wilson (LABOUR ) then gave us a referendum,(even though the campaign was skewered in favour of remaining in the then EEC)

Margaret Thatcher and John Major (TORIES) signed the Single Market and The Maastricht Treaty, without giving the British people a referendum on whether we wanted our sovereignty to be taken from us.

And then, of course, we have David Cameron,(TORY) who gave a cast-iron guarantee that if elected, he would give a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty, The same David Cameron, whom once elected, just as quickly, broke that pledge!
The same David Cameron who, through fear of UKIP’s success at the time, declared that there was to be a referendum to remain or leave the EU, so convinced was he that we would be remaining, promised to be the one to trigger Article 50, and to stick around to see our departure, All we saw of him after breaking both of those pledges, was the dust cloud he left as he scarpered out of Number 10.

Not a lot to trust the Tories with, is there? Their record when it comes to EU matters is not exactly unblemished!!

And of course, we now come to our Theresa May, a known Remainer when she took office, pledging to the electorate when chosen by Parliament to be our esteemed leader, to see Brexit completed, with our red lines respected in full.

Can anyone see a pattern forming?

Aahhh - light is finally dawning. As I have been saying for some years, much to the annoyance of some members and with their abuse of me scattered all over the forum, its finally dawning on some members just how unprincipled these scumbags in the 'nasty party' truly are!!!
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25-07-2018, 05:17 PM
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Hi

Under May's plan we are leaving the Single Market and the Customs Union.

As regards the ECJ, the ECHR is not an EU Institution, she can claim that we are leaving it, technically.

The referendum was stay or leave, it did not specify how.

She has a lot of wriggle room.
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25-07-2018, 06:38 PM
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Why should the People trust Them when They can't even trust Themselves or each other
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25-07-2018, 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Uncle Joe ->
Aahhh - light is finally dawning. As I have been saying for some years, much to the annoyance of some members and with their abuse of me scattered all over the forum, its finally dawning on some members just how unprincipled these scumbags in the 'nasty party' truly are!!!
They are ALL scumbags UJ - you just bang on nauseatingly about the Tories only...zzzzzzzzzzzzzz!

Anyway, neither will get my vote come the time. I'll vote UKIP again...
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25-07-2018, 11:45 PM
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I don't remember anything specifying what the leave vote meant. It was just half baked newspaper articles that tried to read between the lines. The media was totally fixed just before the vote, this has been confirmed by a journalist friend. Some made a killing. Cameron is gone. He's a media nobody now - no paper writes about him. If you have no plan you get what you're given.
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26-07-2018, 02:48 AM
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Hmm?? - I feel another OFF referendum coming on?? what say you chaps and chapettes??
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26-07-2018, 06:09 AM
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Hi

I simply do not get the idea that appointing a Hardline Brexiteer is going to get us a better deal.

The EU has rules, very simple ones, outside of the Single Market, Customs Union and ECJ, you get a Trade Deal.

This is what leaving means.

Both Remain and Leave lied during the Referendum.

The sky has not fallen in immediately, we are not going to have our cake and eat it.

The mess we are in is due to Tory infighting, nothing more, nothing less.

If reality and commonsense had prevailed, we would have started preparations to leave immediately, there are a thousand and one technical things we need to do.

The Brexit costs would have halved, no need to pay for a Transition Period and we would have been out and free to go our own way next March.

A WTO Trade Deal, which is what Canada and Japan have signed up to, is better than No Deal.

It is what we are aiming to do with the rest of the World and I see no logic at all in not having one with the EU, it is a huge trading bloc, why cut off our nose?

No Deal is a nonsense, it will cost us a lot of money, the EU know this and so does the rest of the World.

It is an empty threat.

No Deal means Tariffs and Non Tariff Barriers, which affect profitability and since much of our exporting companies are foreign owned they will move wherever they make the most profit.

Less profit means less tax for the Government to spend on services, pensions etc.

We need to get on with Brexit and deliver with maximum speed and minimise the costs of leaving.

We are still pratting about.
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26-07-2018, 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by AnnieS ->
I don't remember anything specifying what the leave vote meant. It was just half baked newspaper articles that tried to read between the lines. The media was totally fixed just before the vote, this has been confirmed by a journalist friend. Some made a killing. Cameron is gone. He's a media nobody now - no paper writes about him. If you have no plan you get what you're given.
That's rubbish.....there was plenty of leaflets, debates and news stories at the time if you were bothered to look.

If you didn't take an interest at the time you're suffering the consequences of your indifference.

Please stop making that everyone else's problem.
 
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