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Re: Canada-style deal

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Why should it not be as simple as that? Reasons?
Reasons have already been discussed here many times. E.g. the restrictions of most favoured nation meaning you cannot offer any country a better deal than others; unbundling quotas on infinitesimal services etc. No real provision for services. The inflexibility of WTO is probably why nobody uses that option. It's painful expensive and time consuming to renegotiate.
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18-09-2018, 02:19 PM
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Re: Canada-style deal

We can and will do deals after Brexit, of that i have no doubt. With change comes new opportunities, new approaches,chances to put right things that have not worked or can be improved.

Its a shame the EU, are so set against this.
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18-09-2018, 03:34 PM
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We can and will do deals after Brexit, of that i have no doubt. With change comes new opportunities, new approaches,chances to put right things that have not worked or can be improved.

Its a shame the EU, are so set against this.
Do you think we should have tried harder from within?
Bit late now but, I think we should have stuck up for ourselves more.
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18-09-2018, 04:07 PM
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Re: Canada-style deal

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Do you think we should have tried harder from within?
Bit late now but, I think we should have stuck up for ourselves more.
Whenever I mention that I am told our politicians are/were useless. Which should put us in a really strong position once we have left the EU with no deal...
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18-09-2018, 06:11 PM
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Re: Canada-style deal

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E.g. the restrictions of most favoured nation meaning you cannot offer any country a better deal than others
So if we begin by trading under WTO rules, does that mean we can't agree to trade with one or more individual countries under a separate, mutually beneficial trade agreement?
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18-09-2018, 06:14 PM
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Do you think we should have tried harder from within?
Bit late now but, I think we should have stuck up for ourselves more.
What? May or Cameron? You cannot be serious!
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18-09-2018, 06:15 PM
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Re: Canada-style deal

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So if we begin by trading under WTO rules, does that mean we can't agree to trade with one or more individual countries under a separate, mutually beneficial trade agreement?
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No it doesn't, but that is what you are advocating when you say you prefer a No Deal to a Canada style deal.

WTO Free Trade Deals are Canada Style Deals.

It is what we are seeking with the rest of the World after we leave.
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18-09-2018, 06:18 PM
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Re: Canada-style deal

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So if we begin by trading under WTO rules, does that mean we can't agree to trade with one or more individual countries under a separate, mutually beneficial trade agreement?
Originally Posted by swimfeeders ->
Hi

No it doesn't, but that is what you are advocating when you say you prefer a No Deal to a Canada style deal.

WTO Free Trade Deals are Canada Style Deals.

It is what we are seeking with the rest of the World after we leave.
So other independent countries can organise trade agreements between themselves, but we cannot for some reason?
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18-09-2018, 06:30 PM
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Re: Canada-style deal

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So other independent countries can organise trade agreements between themselves, but we cannot for some reason?
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That is not what I have said at all.

We can agree free Trade Agreements with others, without Free Trade Agreements goods and agricultural products are subject to Tariffs and quotas within WTO Rules.

The clue is in the title, Rules, we cannot just do what we want.
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18-09-2018, 07:00 PM
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Re: Canada-style deal

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So if we begin by trading under WTO rules, does that mean we can't agree to trade with one or more individual countries under a separate, mutually beneficial trade agreement?
As I understand it if you offer another country a better deal then you have to go back to the first one and give them that benefit too. Although no idea how that works in practice or whether there are loopholes and there must be exemptions as trade is not directly comparable. Meant to make it a level playing field. It seems pretty nuts. But they think that some countries may want special deals from us as we will be under pressure to close fast and will not agree to what they have now. If you were them would you? Unbundling EU quotas with non EU countries sounds horrendous. It's not something you do overnight. Perhaps the people pushing this have found some way to get around all this.....or maybe they will benefit financially from the chaos.

It's all mind numbingly boring to figure out (the technicalities)
 
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