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Re: The cost of new technology in modern cars

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My land rover defender ( 300Tdi ) I do everything myself and always will ... everything else varies as I enjoy servicing myself and most things I can get around dealer ‘needs’ however the newer the car the more dependent you are on them , not because the job is any more complex but because cars go into limp mode today when broken and they have the reset codes so your stuffed !!!
Quite right in that the newer the car the less the chances are of doing things yourself, the onboard computers rule that out as you say.

Another example of ‘modern technology’ not being good for the owner though, this time keyless ignition, and it’s a later car of the make you have I believe. Recently a Land Rover Discovery was stolen in the early hours from a driveway right outside the owner’s bedroom. Double driveway gates were opened, outside PIR lights came on, the CCTV started recording. The ’no-good’ walked up the driveway, produced a key, entered the vehicle, started it and drove away. That car, costing originally around £60,000 I guess, was never seen again. It was apparently one of two stolen locally using the same method.

The car required a key and another device at the same time to gain entry and start the car. At the time of the theft these were secured in a special ‘safe’ to prevent other technological ways of theft. This ‘no-good’ the police reckon, either had someone at the recent servicing garage who cloned the keys. Or it may have been another method when the car was cleaned at one of the multitude of cleaning and valeting businesses we see lately. This way the keys would have been given over to whoever was cleaning and valeting the car, they were then cloned and a tracker placed under the car so as to track it to where it was kept so as to steal it.

This has been happening on cars made by that group who also make the Mini and Jaguar I believe. Nobody’s car is safe nowadays, the police are now even advising owners to also use another method of securing their car, the gadget that fixes to the steering wheel preventing it turning or something like the old ‘Krooklock’ method. We are going backwards when it comes to having to use these I reckon.
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11-03-2019, 06:14 PM
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My car has all the bells and whistles.What I find most useful is the sat nav.
And the interactive voice recognition
"Find nearest hotel."
Book it, pay for it, get directions. All from the driver's seat.
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My focus has keyless entry and I too have to resort to the old steering lock and amazed daily when I see the car outside as I just know one night it will be stolen
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11-03-2019, 06:23 PM
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You can put your car fob in a tin or you can even buy special bags to store them in, it creates a faraday cage so as to prevent the signal being boosted, some cars now come with a setting on the fob that disables it so it cannot be boosted
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You can put your car fob in a tin or you can even buy special bags to store them in, it creates a faraday cage so as to prevent the signal being boosted, some cars now come with a setting on the fob that disables it so it cannot be boosted
How do you think I’ve kept it this long !!!! Lol
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11-03-2019, 08:27 PM
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I've got a Golf with those doo dads on and I don't think I need them. I'll have to be careful - never realised they cost so much to fix.

My son has just come home with a Lexus Hybrid car tonight and brought it round to show me. He has it on trial for four days to see if he fancies having one and I have never seen anything like it. Talk about bells and whistles. It looks lovely and I like the hybrid idea. I had a drive of it and thought it would take me a month of Sundays to get used to this lot. I can't think it is all necessary. Fortunately if he has one it will be a lease arrangement through work and he will sacrifice his car allowance. He does about 20,000 miles a year which at the moment all goes on his own personal car, so probably not a bad idea to lease, but I don't think he would ever buy it.

Needless to say this old fogey will not be having one. I dread to think what the cost would be if anything went wrong, but that won't be his problem if it's a lease. I have the feeling that an awful lot of the fancy high spec. cars on the roads today are on lease.
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11-03-2019, 09:00 PM
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My car has all the bells and whistles.What I find most useful is the sat nav.
And the interactive voice recognition
"Find nearest hotel."
Book it, pay for it, get directions. All from the driver's seat.
One extra was not on the Golf, at £1,200 more it was omitted in favour of a sat. nav. app on my mobile phone. Waze is brilliant and works well for me with my limited mileage these days. It's even interactive, allowing drivers to add anything they may have seen on their journey like mobile speed checks, accidents or dangerous objects in the roadway.

Great unless you are unfortunate enough to stutter though! Just my warped sense of humour, please excuse. It's all very clever though and must be very useful if you do the mileage.
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11-03-2019, 09:12 PM
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I've got a Golf with those doo dads on and I don't think I need them. I'll have to be careful - never realised they cost so much to fix.

My son has just come home with a Lexus Hybrid car tonight and brought it round to show me. He has it on trial for four days to see if he fancies having one and I have never seen anything like it. Talk about bells and whistles. It looks lovely and I like the hybrid idea. I had a drive of it and thought it would take me a month of Sundays to get used to this lot. I can't think it is all necessary. Fortunately if he has one it will be a lease arrangement through work and he will sacrifice his car allowance. He does about 20,000 miles a year which at the moment all goes on his own personal car, so probably not a bad idea to lease, but I don't think he would ever buy it.

Needless to say this old fogey will not be having one. I dread to think what the cost would be if anything went wrong, but that won't be his problem if it's a lease. I have the feeling that an awful lot of the fancy high spec. cars on the roads today are on lease.
You may be lucky as it was only the early Golfs, the Mk7.5s, that had the sensor as mine is. Mine is a 2014 car, on the later ones it is located behind the grille so protected from the type of incident that I experienced. The later ones still have it located in the bonnet badge well out of the way and those sold in Germany, so I understand, have the sensor located between the back of the rearview mirror and windscreen as it 'reads' changing speed limit signs and slows the car to the correct speed so saving being caught out should you miss the speed limit sign. All very clever but at a price should there be any problems with the sensor.

It used to be reckoned that one-third of cars on the roads were company cars so most if not all of those would probably be leased, it's financially favourable for companies to do that. With the way costs are going the average person would not be able to buy and run a car soon. Electric cars for instance with a Mini costing £39,000 and an Audi at £100,000 with a 'cheaper' model at £79,000 how can an 'average person' afford that kind of money?
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11-03-2019, 09:38 PM
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The first few years and cars are under warranty so new car /first owners are cushioned ( how do you think jaguar land rover sell so many of the worlds most desirable but unreliable cars ?!) it’s after the 3 years most are in the used car market and this is were they start going wrong as they get older and why electric cars will never be top sellers as the car may well be high mileage poor condition one day but a new battery at £20,000 ? For what you’d call a £500 banger ? ... big changes ahead in the motor industry me thinks
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Re: The cost of new technology in modern cars

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The first few years and cars are under warranty so new car /first owners are cushioned ( how do you think jaguar land rover sell so many of the worlds most desirable but unreliable cars ?!) it’s after the 3 years most are in the used car market and this is were they start going wrong as they get older and why electric cars will never be top sellers as the car may well be high mileage poor condition one day but a new battery at £20,000 ? For what you’d call a £500 banger ? ... big changes ahead in the motor industry me thinks
Oh my goodness,£20,000 for a battery!! Maybe hybrid cars are the way to go then. I have not looked at the hybrid cars before, but the one my son has on trial is self charging and I was impressed. It's fully automatic and when going down hill,braking and other stuff it charges itself. It is so quiet when it sets off and the petrol kicks in if the car needs a bit of power and that's when it charges itself as well (I think). I know nothing about cars, but it does seem very clever. I never knew that Lexux is really Toyota either - learn something every day.
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