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25-05-2019, 08:10 AM
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Re: Is the end of May, the end of May?

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There is a danger here, she is not going for a fortnight and even then she will stay on until a new PM is chosen, which will be weeks or months.

We then have the summer recess and then Party Conference time.

The maths is not good, the new PM will have a maximum of 16 working days to get things through Parliament.

She has effectively stopped work on preparing for a No Deal.

This will be denied, as we are still spending £Billions on Consultants, but the problem is no decisions are being taken and nothing is being put into action.

There are long lead in times for hardware, software and staff, well past the 31st October.

She is being incredibly vindictive, she is making sure her replacement will fail and that will cost us all a lot of money.
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25-05-2019, 12:56 PM
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Re: Is the end of May, the end of May?

Originally Posted by swimfeeders ->
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There is a danger here, she is not going for a fortnight and even then she will stay on until a new PM is chosen, which will be weeks or months.

We then have the summer recess and then Party Conference time.

The maths is not good, the new PM will have a maximum of 16 working days to get things through Parliament.

She has effectively stopped work on preparing for a No Deal.

This will be denied, as we are still spending £Billions on Consultants, but the problem is no decisions are being taken and nothing is being put into action.

There are long lead in times for hardware, software and staff, well past the 31st October.

She is being incredibly vindictive, she is making sure her replacement will fail and that will cost us all a lot of money.

There is still the possibility may gets her deal ratified. Turning it into UK legislation is no top priority. Getting it through europarliament is. That will turn it into international law, which supercedes UK law.
If ratified by the HoC before recess, the deal will prevent you crash out by oktober without a deal.
Otherwise there is no time to renegotiate (which the EU already said won't happen), let alone take a new deal through europarliament.
A new pm has two options, let the UK leave with no deal, or revoke article 50. Wouldn't it be galling for boris if he is the one to keep you in the EU?
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25-05-2019, 01:02 PM
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Re: Is the end of May, the end of May?

Originally Posted by Solasch ->
There is still the possibility may gets her deal ratified. Turning it into UK legislation is no top priority. Getting it through europarliament is. That will turn it into international law, which supercedes UK law.
If ratified by the HoC before recess, the deal will prevent you crash out by oktober without a deal.
Otherwise there is no time to renegotiate (which the EU already said won't happen), let alone take a new deal through europarliament.
A new pm has two options, let the UK leave with no deal, or revoke article 50. Wouldn't it be galling for boris if he is the one to keep you in the EU?
Hi

Your misunderstanding of the legal position is appalling.
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25-05-2019, 01:12 PM
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Re: Is the end of May, the end of May?

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Your misunderstanding of the legal position is appalling.
In recent weeks, a great deal of attention has focussed, unsurprisingly, on the UK Parliament.* We have, for instance, heard a lot about Parliament ‘ruling out’ certain options, most notably a no-deal Brexit. There have also been repeated references in the media and by politicians to the UK leaving the EU on 29 March 2019 because that date ‘is written into UK law’. (The UK law in question is the*European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018. We will come to that later.) All of this, however, misses the fundamental point: namely, that the UK’s membership of the EU turns not upon what domestic law says, but upon the position in international law — specifically, the EU Treaties.

The UK has been a member of the EU for the last half-century or so because it agreed to be a member, that agreement being recorded in and its terms set out in the EU Treaties. Article 50 of the Treaty on European Union (TEU) sets out the process by which a Member State may leave the Union. As is well know, that process was triggered by the UK roughly two years ago. At this stage in the process, it is Article 50(3) that is crucial:

The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.

As is clear from this provision, the key issue is whether the EU Treaties continue to apply to the UK. For as long as they do, it is bound by them in international law; when the Treaties cease to apply, the UK ceases to be a Member State (albeit that transitional arrangements may apply, as they would if the Government’s deal were to be approved). This means that what UK law says is irrelevant to the question of EU membership. As such, neither a resolution passed by the House of Commons ‘ruling out’ a no-deal Brexit nor changing ‘exit day’ in domestic law can prevent the UK’s departure from the EU. That process is governed by EU law and, in particular, Article 50 TEU.
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