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Re: Gatt 24

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Maybe the mere threat of a no deal will galvanise the EU to offer a better deal? It would be in their interests as well as ours.
The shoe could be on the other foot. The EU has been preparing for no deal for over a year now. No deal is what they expect to happen, and have accepted that. Whereas the UK has hardly prepared at all and the parliament is scared stiff over no deal happening. It could galvanise them into accepting the deal or into revoking article 50.
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Originally Posted by Solasch ->
The shoe could be on the other foot. The EU has been preparing for no deal for over a year now. No deal is what they expect to happen, and have accepted that. Whereas the UK has hardly prepared at all and the parliament is scared stiff over no deal happening. It could galvanise them into accepting the deal or into revoking article 50.
We should have left 3 months ago.
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22-06-2019, 10:17 AM
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Another perspective on the feasibility of GATT...


The facts about GATT Article 24 – and how it can deliver a Clean Managed Brexit by 31st October

https://brexitcentral.com/the-facts-...-31st-october/
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Another perspective on the feasibility of GATT...
There is only one sentence of substance in the whole article. The rest is all "if" and "it seems". So no other perspective, just another try to diminish the expected impact of a no deal brexit.

So if the UK and EU go to the WTO jointly and say that we have agreed to move to a full and comprehensive Free Trade Agreement (what we term ‘SuperCanada’ – that is better than the EU-Canada FTA) – that keeps tariffs at zero with no real change to other members, the WTO is happy to allow us a period of time to keep tariffs and quotas at preferential rate

The jointly referred to has been stated by the EU can only happen after the withdrawal deal is settled. So a no deal brexit rules that out. Simple fact, but difficult for brexiters to accept.
IDS even forgets (?) to mention that the famous 39 bn will be only 31.5 bn by the end of october.
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Originally Posted by Solasch ->
There is only one sentence of substance in the whole article. The rest is all "if" and "it seems". So no other perspective, just another try to diminish the expected impact of a no deal brexit.

So if the UK and EU go to the WTO jointly and say that we have agreed to move to a full and comprehensive Free Trade Agreement (what we term ‘SuperCanada’ – that is better than the EU-Canada FTA) – that keeps tariffs at zero with no real change to other members, the WTO is happy to allow us a period of time to keep tariffs and quotas at preferential rate

The jointly referred to has been stated by the EU can only happen after the withdrawal deal is settled. So a no deal brexit rules that out. Simple fact, but difficult for brexiters to accept.
IDS even forgets (?) to mention that the famous 39 bn will be only 31.5 bn by the end of october.
It would seem that IDS has count Boris’s cake and eat it syndrome believing we can leave the EU and still enjoy all of the free trade benefits
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23-06-2019, 08:42 AM
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It would seem that IDS has count Boris’s cake and eat it syndrome believing we can leave the EU and still enjoy all of the free trade benefits

The free trade is more benefit (in terms of duties) to the EU than it is for the UK.

Why wouldn't they want this ?
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The free trade is more benefit (in terms of duties) to the EU than it is for the UK.

Why wouldn't they want this ?
Firstly the EU have been clear that the If the UK leaves the EU it cannot expect to have the same benefits as being a member. That includes tariffs free trading

You still seem to be clinging to the notion that they need us more than we need them. Yes they would like us to remain in the EU but if we leave they will protect their interests and foremost that is the unity and “4 freedoms” of the EU

As you frequently state, we buy more from them than they buy from us but post Brexit we will still be buying their products but we the public will be paying duty on those goods

Similarly the EU countries will be paying duty on the goods they buy from us but they buy less from us an the impact of tariffs on the populace will be lesser and may even be offset by s weaker pound

Both parties will no doubt source some goods elsewhere but unless the UK target tariffs To discourage EU imports and risk s trade war the current EU tariffs are very not good for certain industries particularly sheep farming and fishing

The EU also has the benefit of numerous trade agreements to source products elsewhere whilst we would have to initially rely on WTO
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23-06-2019, 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Banchory ->
Firstly the EU have been clear that the If the UK leaves the EU it cannot expect to have the same benefits as being a member. That includes tariffs free trading

You still seem to be clinging to the notion that they need us more than we need them. Yes they would like us to remain in the EU but if we leave they will protect their interests and foremost that is the unity and “4 freedoms” of the EU

As you frequently state, we buy more from them than they buy from us but post Brexit we will still be buying their products but we the public will be paying duty on those goods

Similarly the EU countries will be paying duty on the goods they buy from us but they buy less from us an the impact of tariffs on the populace will be lesser and may even be offset by s weaker pound

Both parties will no doubt source some goods elsewhere but unless the UK target tariffs To discourage EU imports and risk s trade war the current EU tariffs are very not good for certain industries particularly sheep farming and fishing

The EU also has the benefit of numerous trade agreements to source products elsewhere whilst we would have to initially rely on WTO

The EU trades using WTO rules with other countries. The UK will be the biggest single market for the EU once we leave.

Who said anything about trade wars ? We control our tariffs under WTO rules so not only can we protect out own markets we can buy our products from outside the EU where they will be a lot cheaper.

We could even buy British ! Fancy that !
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23-06-2019, 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Bread ->
The EU trades using WTO rules with other countries. The UK will be the biggest single market for the EU once we leave.

Who said anything about trade wars ? We control our tariffs under WTO rules so not only can we protect out own markets we can buy our products from outside the EU where they will be a lot cheaper.

We could even buy British ! Fancy that !
And they will trade with the UK under WTO rules if we do not accept the negotiated WA

Protecting products via tariffs invariably results in som form of tit for tat and can readily escalate into a trade war as seen by the recent Trump / China machinations. The UK already buys lots of products from around the world that are cheaper that compatible UK or EU products. I always buy British if the product is of good quality but there are many products that we just don’t manufacture so I look elsewhere.

The problem with WTO is that while we can control our tariffs many of the existing EU tariff rates could cause serious problems for some of our industries such as sheep farming and even fishing as we sell most of our Catches into Europe
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24-06-2019, 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Banchory ->
And they will trade with the UK under WTO rules if we do not accept the negotiated WA

Protecting products via tariffs invariably results in som form of tit for tat and can readily escalate into a trade war as seen by the recent Trump / China machinations. The UK already buys lots of products from around the world that are cheaper that compatible UK or EU products. I always buy British if the product is of good quality but there are many products that we just don’t manufacture so I look elsewhere.

The problem with WTO is that while we can control our tariffs many of the existing EU tariff rates could cause serious problems for some of our industries such as sheep farming and even fishing as we sell most of our Catches into Europe

So you think the EU making our products more expensive for then is a good idea ,?

My friend has 5000 sheep and he voted leave ... go figure
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