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30-06-2019, 09:02 AM
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Re: Time for ID cards?

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that sounds like "ethnic cleansing". I hope that's not what you meant.
I WONDERED when that would emerge!

Not ethnic cleansing, nation cleansing.

Kicking out people not entitled to be in our nation is not wrong.
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30-06-2019, 09:53 AM
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ID systems won't solve terrorism.

These people don't get the info they want/need through hacking. They do it through violence and threat of violence to people and their loved ones.

So if your national ID system is implemented, these people will simply "lean" on the administrators of the system and make them create false records. Failing that they will get one of their own employed on the inside.

ID systems serve only to track and monitor the real citizens so they can be kept in check whilst the ruling elite remove more and more of their freedoms and whittle down their numbers.

The ID system WILL come and for that reason. We will be bio chipped eventually from birth, no question. The population numbers are going to be drastically reduced so that the elite are left with a relatively tiny and mangageable human workforce. Circa 500,000,000 people. Those people will never see freedom. Their every move will be tracked, every conversation recorded, every financial transaction logged, every internet search recorded and analysed and so on. It is inevitable.

In order for any single body or collective group to rule there has to be suppression and control of everyone else. Technology is the enabler to achieve it. The gap between the technology that the elite have and what the people have is huge and will continue to grow.

It will soon be like the Egyptians again with one master "race" and everyone else slaves. This is the goal of Freemasony and all associated societies and affiliated groups. One World Government, One World Currency, total control. Them . . and the rest of us. We are absolute cannon fodder to these people. We are totally expendable, just the dross of humanity and they WILL mercilessly reduce our numbers drastically via a variety of means.

Bioweapons are high on that list imho. Naive humans will just accept the deadly virus as the next strain of flu or whatever. Just as they already readily accept cancer.

Global anarchy will also be in their armoury of devious weapons. Let the people fight themselves rather than seeing who the real villain is. The foundations for this are already being laid with the purposeful "open door" policies flooding countries with immigrants. People from varying ideologies that don't sit well together, all stuffed into the same locations.

Police forces whittled down in numbers to ensure the anarchy and violence can't be stopped. etc etc.

When the time is right the "supreme" person appears from the ranks of the elite with his proposal to solve it all and offer us peace. That will be the system of total control.
Bio chipping mandatory, vaccinations mandatory, etc etc.
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30-06-2019, 10:37 AM
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Not solve terrorism, but massively aid identification of those involved and the very many more that support it.

The power comes not from people carrying so-called ID cards but the relational data and information base behind them.

An ID card that in addition is a bank card, a credit card, a driving licence, and more would be of a benefit for Joe Public but make life here impossible for illegals and bogus (that's most of them) asylum seekers.

Bing it on. We NEED this.
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30-06-2019, 11:48 AM
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Let's take France. Their information database is some way behind what is now needed and the strategy has been not to poke the rat's nest. That has only resulted in the rats spreading and becoming more active.

Then Germany. If Germany had the 25,000 anti-terrorist police that the UK has watching the 8000 plus really dangerous democracy hating filth that we have in the UK not to mention their supporters then the number of terrorist attacks and abuse of the German public would be much less.
You've just proved my point. Whatever the excuses, trying to justify the use of ID cards as a terrorist preventative measure just doesn't match the facts elsewhere.

We just need an ID card for identification not to try to solve a myriad of other problems with our infrastructure. ID cards will never take off using the sinister arguments you are making because this is exactly why all the cases for it fall over in Parliament.
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30-06-2019, 11:50 AM
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Not solve terrorism, but massively aid identification of those involved and the very many more that support it.

The power comes not from people carrying so-called ID cards but the relational data and information base behind them.

An ID card that in addition is a bank card, a credit card, a driving licence, and more would be of a benefit for Joe Public but make life here impossible for illegals and bogus (that's most of them) asylum seekers.

Bing it on. We NEED this.
We seem to be doing ok at identifying terror suspects without ID cards. Having an ID card that does all that other crud is pointless. What if you lose it? Your whole life goes down the pan because you don't have a separate driving licence, credit card etc? Or are you in favour of chipping people like animals?

This is exactly why we end up getting nowhere in progressing the matter. Next what? Barcodes on our foreheads maybe?
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30-06-2019, 12:23 PM
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Re: Time for ID cards?

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We seem to be doing ok at identifying terror suspects without ID cards. Having an ID card that does all that other crud is pointless. What if you lose it? Your whole life goes down the pan because you don't have a separate driving licence, credit card etc? Or are you in favour of chipping people like animals?

This is exactly why we end up getting nowhere in progressing the matter. Next what? Barcodes on our foreheads maybe?
No. Barcodes would be much too easy to forge. Same with any form of RFI or embedded data chip.

Lose your ID card, with biometric data on the information database including photograph re-issue would not be a problem, probably from banks or council offices.

Not a problem.

But we're NOT doing OK. That's the point. Tying up around 25,000 police and SB officers is costing a fortune and with the actual number of insurgents here still unknown but increasing we NEED to rethink our internal security.

On top of that we really MUST cleanse our national hive from those not entitled to be here and those who have no value to us and who are only British on paper.

With our escape from what is now correctly being referred to as the German Fourth Riecht and the rolling back of destructive legislation that has been forced on us the freedom to do this will be greatly enhanced.

We NEED this, and like it or not it WILL happen.
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30-06-2019, 12:45 PM
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Clearly the only solution is a QR code tattooed on your forehead at birth.
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30-06-2019, 12:54 PM
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Clearly the only solution is a QR code tattooed on your forehead at birth.

Nice idea, too easy to forge, even DNA from a non-invasive test would be easy to forge as a stand alone form of identification.
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30-06-2019, 01:21 PM
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Re: Time for ID cards?

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Lose your ID card, with biometric data on the information database including photograph re-issue would not be a problem, probably from banks or council offices.

Not a problem.
A database holding biometric data may not be a problem for you. But it is for a lot of other people. It's downright creepy and Orwellian. All this facial recognition is a total invasion of privacy.

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But we're NOT doing OK. That's the point. Tying up around 25,000 police and SB officers is costing a fortune and with the actual number of insurgents here still unknown but increasing we NEED to rethink our internal security.
Of course national security costs a fortune! We have meddled all around the world and the birds are coming home to roost.

But what we don't need is another massive data system that costs a fortune to implement and maintain making a packet for "gravy train" developers and creepy private companies that will end up having all the power over our information and are subject to hacking/attack, which with the flipping "internet of things" makes us far more vulnerable than where we are now.

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With our escape from what is now correctly being referred to as the German Fourth Riecht and the rolling back of destructive legislation that has been forced on us the freedom to do this will be greatly enhanced.
Your ideas are for a new Reich in the UK. The "freedom" to turn us into a massive human barcoding project.
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30-06-2019, 02:35 PM
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Re: Time for ID cards?

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A database holding biometric data may not be a problem for you. But it is for a lot of other people. It's downright creepy and Orwellian. All this facial recognition is a total invasion of privacy.



Of course national security costs a fortune! We have meddled all around the world and the birds are coming home to roost.

But what we don't need is another massive data system that costs a fortune to implement and maintain making a packet for "gravy train" developers and creepy private companies that will end up having all the power over our information and are subject to hacking/attack, which with the flipping "internet of things" makes us far more vulnerable than where we are now.



Your ideas are for a new Reich in the UK. The "freedom" to turn us into a massive human barcoding project.
There is no alternative. Cyber attack is now the only form of defence.
 
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