Hi

Stop and think before posting.

Also read the links provided.

The quotas are not not our catch quotas, the are EU Quotas for Imports.

It is not 9 billion, it is £6 Billion and is to be split between Agriculture and Fisheries.

Borders at Dover.

WTO Rules require border control.

The EU will not be frustrating Trade, they will merely be checking that the vehicles have the correct documentation.

If they do, no problem, but checks take time.

The UK Freight Transport Association have produced a report on this.

My facts aren't wrong - you can point them out if you like - I'm happy to explain away

Some scientific facts. I hope you are able to grasp the meaning of it.



British fishermen will soon be able to catch more fish, but will be worse off with a hard Brexit

www.volkskrant.nl

British fishermen will soon be able to catch more fish, but will be worse off with a hard Brexit

British fishermen do not become more aware of the departure of their country from the European Union if the removal between London and Brussels ends in a divorce. The extra benefits that the closure of British waters brings to EU fishermen are not in addition to the additional costs of more expensive exports, say researchers at Wageningen University & Research.

With a hard Brexit, the turnover of the British fish sector after 2025 increases annually by 342 million euros: they can catch more. This profit is completely lost due to the 390 million euros that the British will have to spend on costs (import tariffs and other trade costs) associated with the export of fish and fish products to the EU.

After the Brexit, the British consumer will spend less for his fish & chips, because the fish will become cheaper for him. But that means lower sales for fishermen and the British fish processing industry. In the rest of Europe, in a "fishing war", consumers are going to pay more for their herring and mackerel. For the Netherlands, that means an increase of 3.3 percent. For the Irish, the fish really becomes expensive: prices go up by 9.4 percent.

Appeal to other fishing grounds

It was already known that Dutch fishermen are being hit hard by the British leaving the EU. The Dutch fleet obtains 48 percent of its fish from British waters. In the years following the completion of a possible divorce, this halving nevertheless had a more limited impact on Dutch fishing than some sounds from Scheveningen and Urk believe.

The Wageningen researchers assume that Dutch vessels will use different fishing grounds. Since they are further away from the fish auctions in the Netherlands, the fishermen will have to contend with higher fuel and personnel costs. The fish-processing companies are hit more severely, who have to miss almost 13 percent of their turnover as a result of the British exit and do not just have an alternative.

But as a whole, Dutch fishing will continue to grow, although by 2030 that would be only 3 percent instead of 6 percent if the British had remained members of the European Union. The consequences for Belgium are greater: this is due to a fall in revenues of 6 percent. Ireland is facing a 5 percent decrease, as opposed to a 1 percent growth if their neighbors refrained from leaving.

The consequences for the European Union as a whole seem to be better than expected. "Negligible," the researchers even say: fish production is expected to decrease slightly by 2030, "with or without a Brexit."

Symbolic meaning

After all, it is mainly the British who feel the most pain. Europe now accounts for 75 percent of British fish exports; conversely, exports from the EU to the United Kingdom are 7 percent (and 13 percent for the Netherlands). The British will have to find alternative markets, especially in Asia and Africa, and will import more from Asia.

The sector's contribution to the British economy is small, but "the liberation of fishing" has great symbolic significance for the Brexit proponents. Last year the British government scrapped a 1964 treaty that gave five European countries (including the Netherlands) access to fishing grounds within the 12-mile zone around the United Kingdom. "We're taking matters into our own hands again," said Environment Minister Michael Gove on that occasion. London wanted to show its muscles in the run-up to the negotiations on the terms of the separation with Europe, Brussels noted.

However, European fishermen only get 10 thousand tonnes of fish from the UK's 12-mile zone, valued at 19 million euros, compared to 708 thousand tonnes by their British counterparts (according to figures from 2015). The impact on European fishermen will be greater if the British also lock their 200-mile zone.

The Wageningen figures undermine the position of the politicians and administrators who passionately advocate this. Last month the British press reported that Prime Minister Theresa May does not want to get off the ground so as not to complicate the discussions with Brussels. This to the chagrin of its environment minister. For Gove, the recapture of British fishing grounds is also a personal issue: in 2016, he blamed the "collapse" of his father's fish processing plant in Aberdeen to the European fisheries policy. Gove senior contradicted that later.

Sorry about getting the Hunt figure wrong Swimmy, but the
amount is irrelavent, the principle should be the main thing?
My only excuse is my eyesight!
However l side with Bread on this and l think his reasonjng
is explained much better than l could explain! That is if the
recipient of the explanation is not too bound up in convoluted
reasoning processes as some of our members seem to be!

Regards Donkeyman!

I see the usual suspects are still trying to preach doom and gloom.

What peoiple always focus on are the existing arrangements. They allow no scope at all for mutual negotiation and agreement which is the truth of what will actually happen.

The EU needs our fish, the EU will agree "something" with the UK post BrExit about what we import. If they play silly buggers, we will sell the fish elsewhere, simple as.

The plethora of BS rhetoric here tries to present everything as a black and white set of EU rules and attitudes, but once BrExit happens, everything will change. Before BrExit, and whilst the dictators still perceive they might find a way to scupper BrExit, all the talk is in terms of absolutes and disadvantages to the UK. It's all just Billy BS posturing and sound bites.

Once BrExit actually happens, everything changes. WHich is why we have to leave with NO DEAL. Once we are out, ALL the focus then is on how best to keep the trade lines going on both sides, and the idea that people will beligerently hold on to absolutes and hard line attitudes is simply untrue.

Once we leave, everyone, both on the UK side and the EU side will stop posturing and spouting rhetoric and will just get on with the process of agreeing mutual trading terms and processes.

The continuing anti BrExit spiel is really getting desperate TBH. But these chumps won't give up because they know they stand to lose out big time by us leaving.

We must hold our course, get out in Oct with NO DEAL and then everything will change.

I see the usual suspects are still trying to preach doom and gloom.

What peoiple always focus on are the existing arrangements. They allow no scope at all for mutual negotiation and agreement which is the truth of what will actually happen.

The EU needs our fish, the EU will agree "something" with the UK post BrExit about what we import. If they play silly buggers, we will sell the fish elsewhere, simple as.

The plethora of BS rhetoric here tries to present everything as a black and white set of EU rules and attitudes, but once BrExit happens, everything will change. Before BrExit, and whilst the dictators still perceive they might find a way to scupper BrExit, all the talk is in terms of absolutes and disadvantages to the UK. It's all just Billy BS posturing and sound bites.

Once BrExit actually happens, everything changes. WHich is why we have to leave with NO DEAL. Once we are out, ALL the focus then is on how best to keep the trade lines going on both sides, and the idea that people will beligerently hold on to absolutes and hard line attitudes is simply untrue.

Once we leave, everyone, both on the UK side and the EU side will stop posturing and spouting rhetoric and will just get on with the process of agreeing mutual trading terms and processes.

The continuing anti BrExit spiel is really getting desperate TBH. But these chumps won't give up because they know they stand to lose out big time by us leaving.

We must hold our course, get out in Oct with NO DEAL and then everything will change.

Hi

Firstly your OP about quotas had no brackets around it and no mention of EU Import Quotas.

You edited it after I had quoted your post in my response.

Secondly, turning all our Ports into Free Ports will have no impact at all on our Fisheries, Import Duties and Quotas would still be applicable when the fish or fish products are imported into the EU.

The FTA have produced a report on Border Delays, they and the Freight Forwarders Trade Body know their stuff.

The checks will be done at the UK Ports in the first instance, consignments will be checked before being allowed on the Ferries.

Beam Length and days at sea are irrelevant, it is tonnage and type of fish which matter.

I have no issues with leaving the EU.

I have issues about how prepared we are.

We have been seriously let down by May and her Government.

This lack of preparedness on our behalf will benefit the EU and harm our Exporters.

This annoys me, I do not want to give them any advantage at all.

Your remarks about the Mayor of Calais are irrelevant.

He cannot over rule the EU or the WTO.

If the EU decided not to Import Checks on Goods and produce from the UK, under WTO Rules, they would have to do the same for every other Country.

This is the effect of a No Deal.