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23-10-2020, 10:11 PM
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Re: So much of life depends on choices and giving others a chance

For people in general, regardless of gender, entering a period of none productivity must be difficult, after a lifetime of producing. If the transition is seamless, one has to question the output over the lifetime of an individual, and their general approach to work.
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23-10-2020, 10:15 PM
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Re: So much of life depends on choices and giving others a chance

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Much as you may make choices, there comes a time when those choices are spoiled by others through no fault of your own and pure neglience on the part of the spoiler.
The case I'm thinking of, is the choice by UK women to retire from work, make plans, travel, buy homes, whatever they choose.............to find the UK government has delayed their Government pension (into which they have paid all their working lives) and the choices you thought you had, are gone!

It's not just wrong. It's theft!

Much as I'd like to be dreamy and think about choices - giving others a chance............. realistically.......it's crap!

Sorry!
I'm not too sure about that .... women wanted the same status as man ... and in the main they got it.
Some would then say ... Why should women retire earlier? The only snag was that instead of lowering the chaps retirement age they raised womens instead... and are now raising both,together.

Life ... ? ... you make your choices best you can and usually overlook something anyway.
The knack just seems to be to remain resilient as long as you can, to deal with what Life throws at you. You see so many downtrodden people whose spirit has been broken for one reason or another. Most manage to pick themselves up, some poor sods are never the same again.
Life is cruel.
So best to just have faith in yourself, rely on yourself and hope for the best.
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23-10-2020, 10:21 PM
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Amen.
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23-10-2020, 10:23 PM
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That bad huh? I'll go munch some ginger nuts.
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23-10-2020, 10:26 PM
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Re: So much of life depends on choices and giving others a chance

Not at all, much to be said for faith in the self.
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23-10-2020, 10:27 PM
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An Egoless self of course.
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23-10-2020, 10:35 PM
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Re: So much of life depends on choices and giving others a chance

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For people in general, regardless of gender, entering a period of none productivity must be difficult, after a lifetime of producing. If the transition is seamless, one has to question the output over the lifetime of an individual, and their general approach to work.
I have to disagree with you on this. Perhaps it's a gender thing? A man can focus on a career - a non-interrupted period of focused climbing the career ladder.

A woman - perhaps not modern woman, but women of the era associated with most men on here - made the most of what she could get, which was frankly limited as recruitment was biased toward men. Women's careers - if they were able to achieve anything remotely resembling a career, was generally interrupted by bearing children and the assumed responsibility of those children. A return to work after this motherly time, was mostly demeaned. Yes - many downtrodden by the bias and the expectation of domesticity. BUT nevertheless, contributions to that pension. The expectation of a retirement target .................and that target date moved with far too little time for women to make up the difference in their careers..........even if they had been given the chance - which most hadn't. What careers they had were targeted toward that original retirement date........... Is it any surprise they want some compensation for that? I don't think so!
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23-10-2020, 10:41 PM
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I understand what you say, but graft and careers are two distinct things. A career orientated person could be away from home for long periods of time, but not grafting, and, conversely a grafter could be home very night, but physically knackered, that goes for men and ladies, perceptions have a lot to answer for.
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23-10-2020, 10:42 PM
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Re: So much of life depends on choices and giving others a chance

Originally Posted by Morticia ->
I'm not too sure about that .... women wanted the same status as man ... and in the main they got it.
Some would then say ... Why should women retire earlier? The only snag was that instead of lowering the chaps retirement age they raised womens instead... and are now raising both,together.

Life ... ? ... you make your choices best you can and usually overlook something anyway.
The knack just seems to be to remain resilient as long as you can, to deal with what Life throws at you. You see so many downtrodden people whose spirit has been broken for one reason or another. Most manage to pick themselves up, some poor sods are never the same again.
Life is cruel.
So best to just have faith in yourself, rely on yourself and hope for the best.
You've heard the expression "life's a bitch, a then you die?".

Judge this ..............
FACT: I'm one of the women whose pension was delayed by more years than it's possible to work and make up the difference.
I have older sisters who emigrated to Canada some years ago at some stage before the UK government delayed MY pension, they (the UK government) decided they needed to raise some cash, so wrote to all the expats approaching retirement age and asked if they'd like to pay £xxx they could have their UK pensions early!! So they got their pensions BEFORE retirement age AND ARE STILL GETTING THOSE PENSIONS............. #

How is that just and fair?
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23-10-2020, 10:43 PM
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Re: So much of life depends on choices and giving others a chance

You talking of the way things were decades ago .... for our mothers, and their mothers before them.
They stayed at home and raised the kids, didn't work. Didn't contribute to their own pensions.

Loads of women are very successful career women now ... and still juggle motherhood though admittedly will the fallback upon the very necessary creche or childminder.

Women's roles in society have become very blurred.
Womens Rights changed all that. It wasn't all good.
A women who actually prefers to stay at home , who believes a child's early years is with their mother probably feels out of time and out of step with the world now.
 
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