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25-05-2019, 01:27 PM
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Re: Could the European Elections herald the end of the EU?

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Negotiations to leave should be held in both countries. Not just Brussels. The EU have had it all their own way for the past three years. The new team will need to take them on headfirst, if they don't they too will soon be toast and another PM will bite the dust. Nigel and the Brexit Party will be in office!.
Time for yet another droppa!
It's not a football match with a return match. What other team? The EU will not renegotiate. It's over. The UK might actually leave.
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The WTO is there for a reason and we are a member of it

What is so scary about the common external tariff,?
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It puts us at a disadvantage to all those with Free Trade Agreements.
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Re: Could the European Elections herald the end of the EU?

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It puts us at a disadvantage to all those with Free Trade Agreements.

The disadvantage would have to be a lot more than the CET

Remember tariffs work both ways and you have to factor in a lot if other things too such as corporation tax, productivity and skill sets

Look at our foreign investment since we voted leave ...
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Hence, the nitpicking begins. You know full well what I mean Solasch, so I am not even going to grace that with a reply whilst the kettle is boiling for my cup of tea.
I will say that almost three years of Remainer tales of damnation, stagnation and economic woe if we dare to leave without a deal, including the mantra from the EU that we would suffer more than the rest of the EU states if such a calamity were to happen, now fall on deaf ears.

The people of this country have spoken, if it comes to a no deal scenario, then so be it. The EU negotiating team can either continue to spout on about no change, no give, no renegotiating as long as they wish, but change is coming, and they will have to sit up and take notice or face the consequences. It's as simple as that. It looks as though the people here know what to expect with no deal. They know it will be hard, but correct me if I am wrong, EU states such as Ireland and Germany,along with others, will also have a great deal to lose., although you never once admit this. It's time for the bullying by the EU to cease. time for sensible and practical renegotiations that will please both sides, not just the EU and our remain loving political establishment.
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25-05-2019, 02:18 PM
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Re: Could the European Elections herald the end of the EU?

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Hence, the nitpicking begins. You know full well what I mean Solasch, so I am not even going to grace that with a reply whilst the kettle is boiling for my cup of tea.
I will say that almost three years of Remainer tales of damnation, stagnation and economic woe if we dare to leave without a deal, including the mantra from the EU that we would suffer more than the rest of the EU states if such a calamity were to happen, now fall on deaf ears.

The people of this country have spoken, if it comes to a no deal scenario, then so be it. The EU negotiating team can either continue to spout on about no change, no give, no renegotiating as long as they wish, but change is coming, and they will have to sit up and take notice or face the consequences. It's as simple as that. It looks as though the people here know what to expect with no deal. They know it will be hard, but correct me if I am wrong, EU states such as Ireland and Germany,along with others, will also have a great deal to lose., although you never once admit this. It's time for the bullying by the EU to cease. time for sensible and practical renegotiations that will please both sides, not just the EU and our remain loving political establishment.
Several times now I have "admitted" there will be damage to several other countries from a no deal exit of the UK. But every time I have also pointed out the large difference in preparedness of these countries compared to the UK. For three years they have been taking measures to minimize damage, while the british were bickering among themselves and drinking tea. Therefore there is a difference in the extend that the UK will be hit as compared to the rest of the EU.
You of all people should know that preparing for financial backlash is the way to minimize it. Your country isn't and half of your population is scared by that, the other half just puts on the kettle.
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Re: Could the European Elections herald the end of the EU?

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EU states such as Ireland and Germany,along with others, will also have a great deal to lose., although you never once admit this. It's time for the bullying by the EU to cease.


I agree, and have said as much all along.

The EU countries WILL continue to trade with us. THEY need US, just as much as we need them.

We must not be defeatist. The assurances that we cannot survive on our own is nonsense.

Faint heart never won fair lady... (and I'm not talking about Maybot; she's not a fair lady!).
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Re: Could the European Elections herald the end of the EU?

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The disadvantage would have to be a lot more than the CET

Remember tariffs work both ways and you have to factor in a lot if other things too such as corporation tax, productivity and skill sets

Look at our foreign investment since we voted leave ...
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If you look at our FDI, you will see that it is not being invested to our benefit however.

Most of last years went into waste and energy, they are still buying up our infrastructure where they can make loads of profits and take them out of the UK.

The fall in the £ means they can buy up our companies and infrastructure on the cheap.

We have no consensus in Parliament at all, they are far more interested in their own careers than UK PLC.

Our useless bunch were soundly whipped by an aging drunkard, Juncker, we need better Politicians.
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Re: Could the European Elections herald the end of the EU?

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If you look at our FDI, you will see that it is not being invested to our benefit however.

Most of last years went into waste and energy, they are still buying up our infrastructure where they can make loads of profits and take them out of the UK.

The fall in the £ means they can buy up our companies and infrastructure on the cheap.

We have no consensus in Parliament at all, they are far more interested in their own careers than UK PLC.

Our useless bunch were soundly whipped by an aging drunkard, Juncker, we need better Politicians.
I don't think it was juncker who voted brexit.


To see the S****horpe steelworks in action is to witness British manufacturing prowess at its most visually stunning.

Huge slabs of steel, glowing orange with heat, flow seamlessly through the plant, destined to become anything from paperclips to the steel ropes that support the Humber Bridge. Even from a safe distance, the searing 1,000-degree temperature created by this round-the-clock process is uncomfortable to bear.

Within a matter of months, though, this industrial wonder may well have gone cold. British Steel, which owns the site,*collapsed into insolvency*last week less than three years after it*appeared to have been saved*by private equity group Greybull Capital, which bought it for £1 in 2016.

Greybull, which can*expect to face some bruising questions*from MPs about its*patchy record of business “rescues”, cited Brexit-related factors for the crisis, including a fall-off in orders from overseas.

Foreign customers have turned to rival steelmakers amid persisting uncertainty about the tariffs that will apply to the UK’s steel exports after Brexit. Orders, said a source close to the company, had simply “dried up”.

The official receiver, the state employee overseeing the company’s insolvency, is now in a race against time to find a buyer before the financial burden of running it becomes intolerable. Otherwise, the flames of one of Britain’s last two blast furnaces are at risk of sputtering out.
https://www.theguardian.com/business...rnment-step-in
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25-05-2019, 09:49 PM
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Re: Could the European Elections herald the end of the EU?

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Well said OGF and JBR. Remainers and doubting Thomases have never been slow in pointing out our economy would suffer immeasurably if we left without a deal. It's as if they have been brainwashed over the years or truly believe they need to keep lecturing that we who support no deal as a last resort against an intransigent EU, are too stupid or ignorant to appreciate that it will mean a short economic setback for this country. How patronising!

The EU rightly believed, (thanks again to those same people above) they always from the start, had the upper hand in negotiations. To have taken no deal off the table by our fifth column was the worst possible thing that could have happened. Our cowardly lot could never see beyond their noses that the EU would never have let it get that far if we had called their bluff as it would have been economic suicide also for many of their EU states, such as France, Netherlands, Finland, Ireland and Germany. But of course, that was never going to be the case with their assistance of our fifth column in our Parliament, it must have brought a huge smile to those wishing to thwart Brexit when no deal was voted off the table.

Maybe, just maybe, now Maybot has gone, we can boot out all those advisors and civil servants that have been happy to treat Brexit as a damage limitation exercise rather than the start of our independence, and if, as expected, they choose someone like Boris,( the best of a bad bunch) wouldn't it be a clever move if he has any sense at all, to invite Nigel Farage into his government, then perhaps we would see two pairs of b...s negotiating how it should have been done from the start, with no deal back on the table, we may yet get a fair and sensible negotiating stance back in the room.
We desperately need someone who will not be in awe, overwhelmed or seduced by the chicanery of the likes of Barnier and Co who until now, have always had the upper hand by holding talks on their home turf.

Negotiations to leave should be held in both countries. Not just Brussels. The EU have had it all their own way for the past three years. The new team will need to take them on headfirst, if they don't they too will soon be toast and another PM will bite the dust. Nigel and the Brexit Party will be in office!. Laugh all you want remainers. Even you cannot fail to see what is happening with the EU elections. This is the 2nd referendum you have always been asking for in all but name. The people want out, without a deal if necessary, but out! so instead of standing on the sideline forever whinging about how we will suffer economic woe if we leave without a deal, please get a backbone and back Britain to be strong enough, resilient enough, and economically sound enough to stand on our own two feet as we have done for hundreds of years, long before the EU was just a thought.

RULE BRITANNIA! Time for another cuppa!
Yep, This........
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Re: Could the European Elections herald the end of the EU?

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Yep, This........
I hope only 50% of british are lemmings.
 
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