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30-07-2018, 12:28 PM
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Re: Returning America to a balanced republic.

if there was ever a usa program that insults women in general it is this one - they are totally incapable of listening to each other rationally; are always talking over each other - if this is an illustration of good polite debating skills then it fails miserably - what a disaster!
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30-07-2018, 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by bakerman ->
With teachers, college professors, and the media controlling who learns what, it is a see-saw situation.
Eventually we must all come to realise and understand who and what we are. We are the equivalent of robots that can be programmed to be and do anything. We think we are free, independent thinkers, but we are not. We have ALL been conditioned and programmed from childhood right through to adulthood. We were conditioned by parents who themselves had already been programmed earlier in their own lives. We were conditioned by Sunday Schools, nursery schools, primary schools, secondary schools and so on. We have been programmed by the media, newspapers, TV, radio, DVDs, films and even music.

We are empty vessels into which any kind of programming can be loaded.

THAT is the human condition. That is what it is to be human.

To survive and actually live, as nature intended, requires that we see that situation for what it is. To see that we HAVE been programmed and conditioned and to understand the reasons why it was done, ostensibly to integrate you into a live of servitude and toil, compliance and orderly behaviour.

When we got through school to 6th form most of us were not wondering what life was about, what we might do. We were deciding what career we wanted, what university we might want to attend, what type of company we might want to work for, what kind of money we might earn and what things we might buy with the money. We didn't question it because we'd already been conditioned and programmed to accept that this was the only way of life, the expected way of life, the normal way of life.

You study, you get a degree, get a good job, spend your time working every day, get weekends off if you're lucky, get a handful of weeks off each year for vacation, pay your taxes, find a partner, get married, buy a house, have kids, keep paying taxes, keep working, buy nice things which really you don't need, keep paying your mortgage, keep paying into the state, into your pension, keep working, keep earning, keep spending.

Along the way you don't really question the authority of the state or take much notice what it is doing. You don't realise that you are not actually free, that you are merely a duped slave existing in a very carefully constructed prison, a prison which gives the illusion of freedom but which is anything but. The media, TV, radio etc feed you rhetoric about politics and the politicians, working for the real masters, do their dance to dupe you. They let you vote in one party then after some time, when people start "thinking" they switch and let the media castigate the incumbent government and convince people that a change is needed and that they need to vote for the other party. Tory . . . Labour . . . Tory . . . Labour in a never ending merry dance. The illusion of choice, the appeasement of a dumbed down populous to allow them to vent their petty frustrations and take it out on the "government" by voting. All a complete sham.

While we slumbered in our conditioned state the real rulers continued their agenda and are continuing it today. Step by step towards the Orwellian totalitarian super state, where all our freedoms will disappear, where privacy disappears, where basic rights disappear.

It is up to us to see that we have been programmed and to start THINKING for ourselves. Just about everything we think we know is just conditioning. When we get an ailment or illness we are conditioned to go straight to the medical industry and services. We don't think, we just obey, we accept their "authority" and do what they say. Sit and chat with any old person and you'll soon be hearing tales of their friend's and family's ailments and issues. They will say things like "Fred HAS to go to hospital for a test" and "Edna HAS to take 30 pills every day".

Why is it that as creatures of Nature our first instinct in not to use the products of Nature to heal our ailments? It's because we have been programmed to obey the medical industry and just go straight to them. To buy their products, services, pills, potions and treatments.

We have been conditioned to be dependent. Dependent on the medical industry, dependent on dentists, dependent on energy companies, dependent on the state.

We have a choice, but it is dependent on us understanding and accepting that we have been conditioned, and then breaking out of that programming and starting life anew, learning again, educating ourselves again, learning to live, learning to be free.

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30-07-2018, 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by bakerman ->
gumbud, it's actually pretty simple. The media giants: Cbs, nbc, abc and cnn are controlled by the extreme leftists. Not to mention the ultra-leftist new york times and the washington post.

Jane fonda, aka "hanoi jane" is /was married to ted turner. That tells us a great deal about the leftist media.

On the other hand, the so-called "silent majority" votes according to what they think is right for the country.

With teachers, college professors, and the media controlling who learns what, it is a see-saw situation.

O'bama went way too far into leftist territory and the country reacted. Hillary clinton, a borderline communist, was just too much for the average american and the result was that people would have voted for mickey mouse instead of clinton. If hillary clinton had not been so far left, trump would never have been elected.
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30-07-2018, 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Realist ->

We are empty vessels into which any kind of programming can be loaded.

THAT is the human condition. That is what it is to be human.
We are all products of our environment. But we do come with a lot of pre-programming.

Originally Posted by Realist ->

To survive and actually live, as nature intended, requires that we see that situation for what it is. To see that we HAVE been programmed and conditioned and to understand the reasons why it was done, ostensibly to integrate you into a live of servitude and toil, compliance and orderly behaviour.
I'd disagree. Humans are strongest when they cooperate as a group. That's how we evolved and survived in really harsh physical conditions. They say that the Neanderthal race declined because they were more likely to be loners.


Originally Posted by Realist ->
Along the way you don't really question the authority of the state or take much notice what it is doing. You don't realise that you are not actually free, that you are merely a duped slave existing in a very carefully constructed prison, a prison which gives the illusion of freedom but which is anything but.
We live in super-sophisticated societies. The press is just a part of that. This is the result of all those centuries of co-operation. I'm not sure why you'd want to destroy that. I was watching the film "Breathe" about Robin Cavendish. He was paralysed from the neck down by Polio overnight. Thanks to the Polio vaccine we don't have to worry about that. When we work together we make progress to alleviate suffering and improve lives. Group programming facilitates that.

You can get rid of whichever press agency you don't like but the same myths will spread via the old fashioned method of passing on information by word of mouth.
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30-07-2018, 09:45 PM
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Re: Returning America to a balanced republic.

Originally Posted by Realist ->
Eventually we must all come to realise and understand who and what we are. We are the equivalent of robots that can be programmed to be and do anything. We think we are free, independent thinkers, but we are not. We have ALL been conditioned and programmed from childhood right through to adulthood. We were conditioned by parents who themselves had already been programmed earlier in their own lives. We were conditioned by Sunday Schools, nursery schools, primary schools, secondary schools and so on. We have been programmed by the media, newspapers, TV, radio, DVDs, films and even music.

We are empty vessels into which any kind of programming can be loaded.

THAT is the human condition. That is what it is to be human.

To survive and actually live, as nature intended, requires that we see that situation for what it is. To see that we HAVE been programmed and conditioned and to understand the reasons why it was done, ostensibly to integrate you into a live of servitude and toil, compliance and orderly behaviour.

When we got through school to 6th form most of us were not wondering what life was about, what we might do. We were deciding what career we wanted, what university we might want to attend, what type of company we might want to work for, what kind of money we might earn and what things we might buy with the money. We didn't question it because we'd already been conditioned and programmed to accept that this was the only way of life, the expected way of life, the normal way of life.

You study, you get a degree, get a good job, spend your time working every day, get weekends off if you're lucky, get a handful of weeks off each year for vacation, pay your taxes, find a partner, get married, buy a house, have kids, keep paying taxes, keep working, buy nice things which really you don't need, keep paying your mortgage, keep paying into the state, into your pension, keep working, keep earning, keep spending.

Along the way you don't really question the authority of the state or take much notice what it is doing. You don't realise that you are not actually free, that you are merely a duped slave existing in a very carefully constructed prison, a prison which gives the illusion of freedom but which is anything but. The media, TV, radio etc feed you rhetoric about politics and the politicians, working for the real masters, do their dance to dupe you. They let you vote in one party then after some time, when people start "thinking" they switch and let the media castigate the incumbent government and convince people that a change is needed and that they need to vote for the other party. Tory . . . Labour . . . Tory . . . Labour in a never ending merry dance. The illusion of choice, the appeasement of a dumbed down populous to allow them to vent their petty frustrations and take it out on the "government" by voting. All a complete sham.

While we slumbered in our conditioned state the real rulers continued their agenda and are continuing it today. Step by step towards the Orwellian totalitarian super state, where all our freedoms will disappear, where privacy disappears, where basic rights disappear.

It is up to us to see that we have been programmed and to start THINKING for ourselves. Just about everything we think we know is just conditioning. When we get an ailment or illness we are conditioned to go straight to the medical industry and services. We don't think, we just obey, we accept their "authority" and do what they say. Sit and chat with any old person and you'll soon be hearing tales of their friend's and family's ailments and issues. They will say things like "Fred HAS to go to hospital for a test" and "Edna HAS to take 30 pills every day".

Why is it that as creatures of Nature our first instinct in not to use the products of Nature to heal our ailments? It's because we have been programmed to obey the medical industry and just go straight to them. To buy their products, services, pills, potions and treatments.

We have been conditioned to be dependent. Dependent on the medical industry, dependent on dentists, dependent on energy companies, dependent on the state.

We have a choice, but it is dependent on us understanding and accepting that we have been conditioned, and then breaking out of that programming and starting life anew, learning again, educating ourselves again, learning to live, learning to be free.

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31-07-2018, 04:13 AM
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Re: Returning America to a balanced republic.

Originally Posted by bakerman ->
One of the keystones to having a free and open nation is have balance within the media. Right now, and for the last 4 or 5 decades, that has not been the case. Liberalism has taken near total control of all media.

The major broadcast networks: CBS, NBC, ABC and CNN are all controlled by the far left. Additionally, the overwhelming percentage of America's newspapers are all borderline extremely radically leftist.

To be honest, there are a few media sources which are middle of the road and a few which are rightist or conservative. However, those sources have little impact. It is the "big boys" who control what gets reported and how it is reported. The how is quite important for a biased news organization can have a huge impact on how the citizenry thinks.

If you doubt that, then I draw your attention to the media of Hitler's Germany. I will assume that our readers are familiar with the propaganda machine run entirely by one man, Josef Paul Gobbels. Suffice to say, Nazi German propaganda shaped the minds of the people.

It is not that bad in the United States or in Great Britain but the leftist bias is significant.

To be continued...
Ok

I do take your point and have relied to you on this topic with two posts which have been deleted because I attacked an African American on a stupid show.

The attacks against people on the right as well as the people in the middle by the Extrem Left in America is sicking.

CNN stir the fires as well as some other stations but not as bad as the people on CNN

BUT most Americans are not as stupid as the American Media and voted for Trump because they saw through that.

Just a shame that the two on the View cant wake up and smell the coffee.
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31-07-2018, 07:37 PM
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Galty, the two you speak of, don't want to wake up. They only want to spew their venom. Of the two, Whoopie Goldberg is by far the most vile. She has what some call "Trump derangement syndrome" The mere mention of President Trump is enough to bring on a slobbering fit.

In 2016, prior to the election, Goldberg threatened to move to immigrate to Spain if Trump was elected. You'll notice she is, unfortunately, still here.
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31-07-2018, 07:47 PM
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Re: Returning America to a balanced republic.

Originally Posted by bakerman ->
Galty, the two you speak of, don't want to wake up. They only want to spew their venom. Of the two, Whoopie Goldberg is by far the most vile. She has what some call "Trump derangement syndrome" The mere mention of President Trump is enough to bring on a slobbering fit.
THat happens to lot of people , sad to say.

In 2016, prior to the election, Goldberg threatened to move to immigrate to Spain if Trump was elected. You'll notice she is, unfortunately, still here.
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31-07-2018, 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by APRICOT ->
Words are like butterflies , they can disappear into the air.

If so, that's a shame. It indicates that the speaker does not mean what he/she says.

Moreover, if a person does not mean what he/she says, then they are nothing more than blathering idiots. Speaking, but without any meaning what-so-ever.

We expect that from a child , but not from an adult.
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31-07-2018, 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by bakerman ->
If so, that's a shame. It indicates that the speaker does not mean what he/she says.

Moreover, if a person does not mean what he/she says, then they are nothing more than blathering idiots. Speaking, but without any meaning what-so-ever.

We expect that from a child , but not from an adult.
Well there you go .
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