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16-06-2020, 11:28 AM
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Re: EU Confirm End of Transition End if December 2020

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And so what ?

You can still buy them - since when does the EU stop trade with the UK ?

That's just silly
Hi

Not silly at all, just a simple fact of life.

The EU will remain in a Trade Surplus with the UK until such time as we can find alternative suppliers at a cheaper cost.

The EU will do it's sums and we will do ours.

The outcome is yet to be known.

The one good thing about this is that we are leaving at the end of the year.

This what we voted for and this is what must happen.
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16-06-2020, 12:06 PM
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Re: EU Confirm End of Transition End if December 2020

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Hi

Not silly at all, just a simple fact of life.

The EU will remain in a Trade Surplus with the UK until such time as we can find alternative suppliers at a cheaper cost.

The EU will do it's sums and we will do ours.

The outcome is yet to be known.

The one good thing about this is that we are leaving at the end of the year.

This what we voted for and this is what must happen.

But its not true - your making out that the (around) 6% tariff that the EU poses on all countries outside of its single market is such a huge issue for everyone - it isn't and tariffs never have been. Before Brexit nobody talked about tariffs at all, they just paid them and claimed back the duty wherever possible - the EU (so called) FTA cost the UK our sovereignty, our territorial waters and billions a year in net contributions. Regardless, we trade less and less each year with this (so called) free trade zone and have increase our trade elsewhere, year in year out. We have tariffs imposed already on our imports from outside the EU through the CET. The irony is when it comes to the single market, the UK benefitted least out of all 28 countries but yet we are the 2nd biggest financial contributor, have donated our fishing grounds and are subjected to their laws and single market rules that are designed to deliberately make us uncompetitive outside the block.

Whatever tariffs are going to be placed on UK imports are up to the UK to decide - not the EU or anyone else. We will control what comes into our country and who from. At the same time, we can benefit from reduced VAT rates, reduced corporation tax and increases in subsidies for our own farmers instead of subsidising our suppliers. We can also invest our own money in our own infrastructure and not in other countries like we have seen year after year of "off-book" cohesion funding.

The EU is a declining market and is going to shoot itself in the foot with its new Green Deal, where farmers and producers will find it uneconomical to produce food anyway with all the new regs on pesticides, fertilisers etc etc. On top of that, there is the cost price of goods from the EU that will also reduce because of overseas competition and exchange rate fluctuations that have done and continue to influence prices a hell of a lot more that tariffs ever would.

All this scaremongering about tariffs isn't fooling people anymore, it's the "last hurrah" of project fear by people who haven't imported or exported anything in their lives, worked in supply chains, ran a business, paid corporation tax, sold anything or done a VAT return.

We have more issues with supply chain from Dover than any other port in the country already and that's as an EU member. This myth that Dover-Calais is super efficient and a lifeline for the UK is utter nonesense. Everything stops when there are French strikes, bad weather or a fuel protests. The queue is only one way too - into France, with empty lorries. What we control works well, just look at Felixtowe, Immingham, Portsmouth, Hull etc, the French are useless as we can see by the long tailbacks of (mostly empty) EU lorries trying to get back across the border.

6 weeks and counting for a take it or leave it deal with the EU. The EU needs to replace Barnier if they are going to talk trade - he is their talisman for intransigence and incompetence. His mandate for keeping us in the EU has failed over and over again and now the EU accept there is nothing they can do to trap the UK in its junk union they need to do one of two things.

1. Walk away - which they can do at any time
2. Get rid of Barnier and sign up to our offer. If they don't then Germany, their paymaster will suffer the most and they can't afford that, not with the state of affairs in the Eurozone.

The EU know we will outperform them once we are outside of their single market rules, that's why they are insisting on the level playing field - they know we won't accept that so their choice is either the double whammy of no-deal, plus no single market rules or damage limitation and cling on to business continuity with their second biggest customer, with no strings attached.

Barnier needs to go to move this forward.
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16-06-2020, 01:14 PM
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Re: EU Confirm End of Transition End if December 2020

An excellent piece of work Bread
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16-06-2020, 01:42 PM
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Re: EU Confirm End of Transition End if December 2020

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An excellent piece of work Bread

Thanks Percy !
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16-06-2020, 01:46 PM
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Re: EU Confirm End of Transition End if December 2020

Originally Posted by Bread ->
But its not true - your making out that the (around) 6% tariff that the EU poses on all countries outside of its single market is such a huge issue for everyone - it isn't and tariffs never have been. Before Brexit nobody talked about tariffs at all, they just paid them and claimed back the duty wherever possible - the EU (so called) FTA cost the UK our sovereignty, our territorial waters and billions a year in net contributions. Regardless, we trade less and less each year with this (so called) free trade zone and have increase our trade elsewhere, year in year out. We have tariffs imposed already on our imports from outside the EU through the CET. The irony is when it comes to the single market, the UK benefitted least out of all 28 countries but yet we are the 2nd biggest financial contributor, have donated our fishing grounds and are subjected to their laws and single market rules that are designed to deliberately make us uncompetitive outside the block.

Whatever tariffs are going to be placed on UK imports are up to the UK to decide - not the EU or anyone else. We will control what comes into our country and who from. At the same time, we can benefit from reduced VAT rates, reduced corporation tax and increases in subsidies for our own farmers instead of subsidising our suppliers. We can also invest our own money in our own infrastructure and not in other countries like we have seen year after year of "off-book" cohesion funding.

The EU is a declining market and is going to shoot itself in the foot with its new Green Deal, where farmers and producers will find it uneconomical to produce food anyway with all the new regs on pesticides, fertilisers etc etc. On top of that, there is the cost price of goods from the EU that will also reduce because of overseas competition and exchange rate fluctuations that have done and continue to influence prices a hell of a lot more that tariffs ever would.

All this scaremongering about tariffs isn't fooling people anymore, it's the "last hurrah" of project fear by people who haven't imported or exported anything in their lives, worked in supply chains, ran a business, paid corporation tax, sold anything or done a VAT return.

We have more issues with supply chain from Dover than any other port in the country already and that's as an EU member. This myth that Dover-Calais is super efficient and a lifeline for the UK is utter nonesense. Everything stops when there are French strikes, bad weather or a fuel protests. The queue is only one way too - into France, with empty lorries. What we control works well, just look at Felixtowe, Immingham, Portsmouth, Hull etc, the French are useless as we can see by the long tailbacks of (mostly empty) EU lorries trying to get back across the border.

6 weeks and counting for a take it or leave it deal with the EU. The EU needs to replace Barnier if they are going to talk trade - he is their talisman for intransigence and incompetence. His mandate for keeping us in the EU has failed over and over again and now the EU accept there is nothing they can do to trap the UK in its junk union they need to do one of two things.

1. Walk away - which they can do at any time
2. Get rid of Barnier and sign up to our offer. If they don't then Germany, their paymaster will suffer the most and they can't afford that, not with the state of affairs in the Eurozone.

The EU know we will outperform them once we are outside of their single market rules, that's why they are insisting on the level playing field - they know we won't accept that so their choice is either the double whammy of no-deal, plus no single market rules or damage limitation and cling on to business continuity with their second biggest customer, with no strings attached.

Barnier needs to go to move this forward.
I don't for one moment doubt that you are right. What I fail to understand is why, in a such clear cut case, boris takes the trouble to convene.
By not keeping the appointment for the leaders to meet, remember it was in their agendas since februari, he would have sent a much stronger message. He would have shown power, who needs whom. Now ursula knows she has him by the balls, so the rest will follow.
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16-06-2020, 01:58 PM
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Re: EU Confirm End of Transition End if December 2020

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I don't for one moment doubt that you are right. What I fail to understand is why, in a such clear cut case, boris takes the trouble to convene.
By not keeping the appointment for the leaders to meet, remember it was in their agendas since februari, he would have sent a much stronger message. He would have shown power, who needs whom. Now ursula knows she has him by the balls, so the rest will follow.

The EU will be concentrating on passifying their own businesses because of the disaster they've created for them.

Businesses trusted the EU to put their interests first but instead they have played politics. They have been intransigent and refusing to talk about trade, now business wants answers and action.

Von der Leyen is a lightweight she can't even get defense right in cash rich germany. Their soldiers were running around with broom handles under her command. She is panicking because her own countrymen are turning against her now and with only a 7 vote majority she could be booted out over this as well.
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16-06-2020, 02:34 PM
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Re: EU Confirm End of Transition End if December 2020

Originally Posted by Bread ->
The EU will be concentrating on passifying their own businesses because of the disaster they've created for them.

Businesses trusted the EU to put their interests first but instead they have played politics. They have been intransigent and refusing to talk about trade, now business wants answers and action.

Von der Leyen is a lightweight she can't even get defense right in cash rich germany. Their soldiers were running around with broom handles under her command. She is panicking because her own countrymen are turning against her now and with only a 7 vote majority she could be booted out over this as well.
Of course your statement scared the stront out of me, so I looked on the net for information. The only article I could find was this:

Record number of companies wants to go to the Netherlands due to Brexit

Never before have so many companies decided to settle in the Netherlands as last year. In 2019, 397 international companies chose the Netherlands. Of these, 78 companies did so because of Brexit. That is also a record, reports the Netherlands Foreign Investment Agency (NFIA).
https://www.accountant.nl/nieuws/202...ar-nederland/#

So it must be as 7779311 stated elsewhere, you have secret sources of information.

Your story about von der leyen I leave for what it is, your hatefull opinion of a woman outside your league.
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16-06-2020, 02:55 PM
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Re: EU Confirm End of Transition End if December 2020

Originally Posted by Solasch ->
What is new?
By international law the transition period ends 31 december 2020. That was known since theresa may presented her version of the withdrawal agreement.
In that agreement the option to extend was present.

23 januari 2020 boris johnson's version of the WA was ratified. Concommitantly he enshrined in british law that no extension was to be requested.

On the official date of deadline (the june meeting of the joint commitee) gove announced there would be no request to extend.
Officialy speaking, to day's meeting could not result in a request, as the deadline had passed.

So, no news at all. Congratulations.
Originally Posted by Bread ->
If there wasn't a deal to be had both sides would have walked away long before now.
Originally Posted by Solasch ->
With the one difference that the EU has continuously stated it can't be closed within the timeframe applied by the UK. Literally time will tell.
Originally Posted by Bread ->
The EU has continuously lied.

Its delivered nothing ... you've been given 6 weeks to agree our terms or we walk away and leave you to fall apart.
Originally Posted by Solasch ->
I don't for one moment doubt that you are right. What I fail to understand is why, in a such clear cut case, boris takes the trouble to convene.
By not keeping the appointment for the leaders to meet, remember it was in their agendas since februari, he would have sent a much stronger message. He would have shown power, who needs whom. Now ursula knows she has him by the balls, so the rest will follow.
You are such a turd Solasch. You twist and turn what you say from post to post in threat to thread to suit yourself and to show yourself to be some sort of superior being. Well bollox to that. The meeting scheduled in February was set for the end of this month not yesterday. The fact is you've just proved once again you're nothing more than a hypocritical EU troll who should be laugh at and mocked at every opportunity.

As for Ushi vDL having Boris by the balls, I would suggest quite the opposite, if she had any that is.

Oh, and yes, we left the EU at the end of January 2020.
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16-06-2020, 03:03 PM
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Re: EU Confirm End of Transition End if December 2020

Originally Posted by Percy Vere ->
You are such a turd Solasch. You twist and turn what you say from post to post in threat to thread to suit yourself and to show yourself to be some sort of superior being. Well bollox to that. The meeting scheduled in February was set for the end of this month not yesterday. The fact is you've just proved once again you're nothing more than a hypocritical EU troll who should be laugh at and mocked at every opportunity.

As for Ushi vDL having Boris by the balls, I would suggest quite the opposite, if she had any that is.

Oh, and yes, we left the EU at the end of January 2020.
And what meeting is there going to be at the end of this month? Have you never heard that projecting a meeting at the end of june can result, after agendas have been compared, in a meeting on the 15th? Never been in any job of importance I think?

What is obvious is that mrs von der leyen has better balls than you.

Ah! You have found out about leaving? Well, good for you!
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16-06-2020, 03:08 PM
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... The fact is you've just proved once again you're nothing more than a hypocritical EU troll who should be laugh at and mocked at every opportunity.
...[/B].
I am afraid that Your recommendations to laugh and mock at somebody tells a lot about Your personality.

It seems sad because Solasch is usually proving lots of evidence and has been free of bad emotions towards other posters here.

Just relax and try do avoid those insults. I am very sure that many EU citizens wish the people of the UK a successful and great future.

Your government promised such a bright and wealthy future for the UK, taking back control, getting Brexit done and unleashing UKs potential.

The first two have already happened, number three is up to You folks.
You will do it and prove the whole world wrong.
 
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