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17-09-2018, 12:34 AM
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WOW ! What a shock. It's as if you have just told me that Mother Teresa was actually a sadist.

When I have time, I'll look into it. If you posted any cites, they did not come through.

First, I do not know any "brutes". And I would not tolerate them if I did.

All I actually know is what I have seen on his TV programs. I have never seen any evidence of the examples you cite.

I have seen him take dogs that are almost psychotic and turn them into kind, calm, lovable creatures.

In the end, since I could never afford his training schools, his methods don't have any impact on my plan to have a dog.

Of this I do know for a certain fact, I personally have seen a Saint Bernard who because of a total lack of discipline, challenged me and my friends to our supper. The dog won. A 100 kilo dog that thinks it can take food away from humans, and gets away with it, is a dog who needs to be put down. Such an animal does not belong in the company of people.

Do I believe that I should be the alpha leader and not the dog ? Heck, yes.
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17-09-2018, 01:44 AM
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Originally Posted by realspeed ->
As against going to a dog pound, is there any breed rescue centres near you?

Here in the UK they generally know the background to the dog and why it was placed in a rescue centre, Dog pound mainly don't know, it may be because the dog has bitten someone- is stolen and dumped etc. Dog pound generally ask for a donation not selling you one direct, so don't expect a bill of sale because you won't get one
Here in the UK that means they avoid any goods(in this case dogs) for sale act, or not fit for purpose claim.

far better to go to a recommend breeder where you have more rights over ownership, you don't own a dog from a pound outright
I disagree strongly !
Better to take a dog that needs a home rather than encourage the rip off breeding trade of dogs .
There are far too many dogs in dog homes here !
Many have been purchased probaby for a stupid price from 'recommended' breeders
I also find the term recommended breeder rediculous recommended by who?
Unless you ae an aficionado of some special breed or want to show your dog it won't necessarily make a better companion .
Also getting a puppy is like getting a baby they are adorable but also messy chew things and generally like to cause chaos!
Not everyone wants to go through that stage .
If you take a dog from a reputable dog sanctuary they will generally take the dog back if things go wrong and that is why they request the dog not to be passed on but to be returned to the rescue
They don't sell dogs they do ask for a donation and request a signed copy of the terms of adoption .
A reputable dog home will not rehome a dog that has bitten someone say a child to a family.
However the dog may never bit anyone again - there may have been special circumstances not necessarily aggression .
All my life I have taken rescue dogs usually in third world countries .No donation Or anything there they are just delighted someone will take them I have also taken on many street dogs some of whom had uncertain temperaments and have bitten people .
However I have never been bitten .
Usually dogs that have had a rough life are so grateful for a good home they try to please their rescuer .
Anyway these are my thoughts .
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17-09-2018, 02:04 AM
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A dog reacts more to a tone of voice and how it is said than to a word
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17-09-2018, 02:04 AM
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Brutal ? We must be thinking of different people. Cesar Millan is the gentlest guy I know of. I never once ever saw him lift a finger against a dog. Not once.

We have one heck of a lot of ASPCA people over here and , believe me, if they thought for one second he was being brutal, they'd hang him.
Bakerman I love Cesar Milan too .
He has a true rapport with dogs and the dogs he handles are compromised they have problems .
Many DO bite and he saves them from being PTS
Seeing them all running in a pack at his place is lovely he has also taken dogs in that they owners just don't want can't deal with just because he likes them .

He was strongly critised for being badly bitten by Holly the Labrador and he did kick her off him so would anyone it was a serious bite and she was hanging on .
But what many people don't know is that Hollys owners gave her to Caesar afterwards as they couldn't manage her and here she is happily living with him on his ranch !

It's in Spanish -I am sure you will understand but for anyone who doesn't he is saying that Holly is they only dog who has ever sent him to hospital attacked him front of the whole world and now attacke him with kisses!


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17-09-2018, 02:26 AM
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I have just spent almost 2 hours researching Cesar Millan and the few accusations against him. I could not find a single incidence where Cesar was ever convicted of anything.

Let's face it. There are some seriously goofy people on this planet who want fame. How better to gain fame than to make a frivolous accusation of a widely known and highly recommended dog trainer such as Cesar Millan.

So far, this appears to be much ado about nothing.

This entire business about Cesar reminds me of an incident where a close friend of mine was arrested for felony child abuse. What did he do ? He slapped his 14 year old daughter on the upper arm when he caught her shoplifting. If he had been famous, it would have gotten on the news, "Willie Zalcita arrested for child abuse" After some investigation, the charges were, of course, dropped. But, forevermore the charge remains on the books.

Same with Cesar Millan. Frivolous accusations ! No proof of wrong doing.
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17-09-2018, 02:37 AM
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The thing is having lived in third world countries most of my life I have seen dogs seriously abused .
Dogs chained forever in the sun never walked or socialised they can only watch the world and their lives go by .
Dogs shut in kennels ( without runs) for ever never taken out literally they never see the light of day
Dogs so starved you can see every bone in their body
Pit bulls dragging heavy weights about for 'training '( for dog fights )
Dogs hung and tortured for losing such fights
Dogs who have suffered such cruelty that maybe I am hardened to what many people in the uk consider cruel.
Ironically these poor dogs are so grateful for kindness yet the dogs that Cesar deals with are not usually abused but have been spoiled by over indulgence or ignorance or some other fault on the part of the owners .
Basically he trains owners not dogs but clearly not all have his strength of personality
Or maybe they just pick the most inept ones for television .
In an ideal world these dogs would have been trained correctly form the start .
E.g. Holly the lab was very defensive of her food .
I have never allowed a dog to be like this it's so dangerous as anyone inadvertently approaching a dogs feed bowl may well get bitten .
For young dogs I have always removed the food bowl while they were eating praised them and given it back .
I also touch and pat them too while the are eating .
Puppies don't care so when they grow up they are not defensive as they know the food will always come back to them .
Adult dogs should of course be left to eat their food in peace but it should not be a danger zone around them .
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18-09-2018, 09:11 PM
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Difficult to tell a dogs age ,unless its previou back ground is known. Whe we got ours from Dogs Trust we were given confusing ages on him, the manager said .about 2' but he was given an official age of 7yrs,Our vet said 'no younger than 5yrs. His teeth were so bad it was hard to tell his age.We have had him over 2 yrs now, making him, supposedly 10 yrs,but he is bright .alert & still playful, full of energy,NO sign of getting OLD.Some dogs age more quicklythan others.One rescue we had aged 9mths lived healthily till 17 yrs,But the last one ,aged a few weeks old got Kidney failure & had to be put to sleep at 14 yrs.Just find out as much as you can & use your instincts,Doe it look healthy /Fit/Well ? Good LuckKeep us Informed
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18-09-2018, 09:47 PM
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With difficulty I managed to get my dogs medical history so I know his real age .
This was due to data protection !
It was eventually released to my vet .
What they think anyone can do with a dogs medical history I don't know
( the former owners details were all blanked out )
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18-09-2018, 10:18 PM
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Bakerman

We have a dog, a lovely collie. An absolute gem. Yes, you might expect me to say that about my dog but a little tale from a near neighbour. He runs in the park where I stroll my hound. Off the lead.

Now and again I get abuse for not having my effing dog under control and that, by law, he must be on a lead. My neighbour chipped in.
"I'm not a dog person but he is the most under control dog I have ever met."

He was a very shy rescue dog when we got him. Now he has matured into a well behaved young gentleman. That didn't happen by accident.

You have to be prepared to put the commitment in. You will be rewarded tenfold over. And that's the only advice I'll give you.
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18-09-2018, 10:30 PM
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With crossed fingers, I'll be going with a neighbor to the Mexican Dog Pound, the 1st week of October.

To be honest, I don't expect too much, based on the dogs I've seen on the streets. I'm not sure, but I think many of them lived on the streets for an awfully long time.

It's truly amazing. They run in and out of heavy traffic with ease. Just when I think the dog will get run over, he's gone and safe.

Also I see some small packs on the streets. They don't want anything to do with me, that's for sure. I've tried to offer food but they are not a bit interested.

There is another possibility. They may belong to people. ????? I know that some folks let their cats out and they wander around at all hours of the day and night. Those cats could easily leave the building, but they don't seen to want to go into the streets. Perhaps some people do the same with dogs ?????
 
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