24-01-2019, 08:59 AM
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And JRM has the gall to call himself a democrat
That evil barsteward JRM is now advocating the suspension of parliament because he doesn't like motions being proposed by the opposition which would wreck the 'no deal' option.So now we see just what sort of a democrat this barsteward really is !!!
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8742616.html
24-01-2019, 12:29 PM
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Re: And JRM has the gall to call himself a democrat
Sorry but it is wholly right that action should be taken to stop those trying to oppose the democratic decision and those trying to oppose democracy itself.The "No Deal" option IS A PERFCETLY LEGAL AND VALID OPTION.
It one of only 2 LEGAL AND VALID OPTIONS according to the EU Treaties which we long since signed up to.
We can either leave with an agreed Withdrawal Agreement, Or we can leave with No Deal. Those are the only two permissible options of leaving within the treaty.
We therefore can not, and must not have government plotting to try and remove either of those legal and valid options. Doing so is both against the Treaty and is against democracy.
The No Deal option is our strongest position. It gives us all the bargaining chips. The EU is DESPERATE for us not to take the No Deal route because it then means we HAVE LEFT and at that point all the negotiations change. At that point they know they won't get £39 billion from us and that their imports and exports will suffer.
The nonsense we are seeing in government is utterly appalling. We have legitimate ways of leaving, 2 of them as explained above and we have parts of government and opposition actively attempting to obstruct and scupper those options. Such politicians should be removed from office.
They are there to do a job and that is to preserve and follow the democratic processes of this country and serve the country and its people.
Nothing has changed. We have 2 options. Leave with an agreed deal, or just leave. Everything else is fraudulent obstruction which should be opposed with the full force of the law.
24-01-2019, 03:06 PM
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Re: And JRM has the gall to call himself a democrat
Originally Posted by Realist
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Sorry but it is wholly right that action should be taken to stop those trying to oppose the democratic decision and those trying to oppose democracy itself.The "No Deal" option IS A PERFCETLY LEGAL AND VALID OPTION.
It one of only 2 LEGAL AND VALID OPTIONS according to the EU Treaties which we long since signed up to.
We can either leave with an agreed Withdrawal Agreement, Or we can leave with No Deal. Those are the only two permissible options of leaving within the treaty.
We therefore can not, and must not have government plotting to try and remove either of those legal and valid options. Doing so is both against the Treaty and is against democracy.
The No Deal option is our strongest position. It gives us all the bargaining chips. The EU is DESPERATE for us not to take the No Deal route because it then means we HAVE LEFT and at that point all the negotiations change. At that point they know they won't get £39 billion from us and that their imports and exports will suffer.
The nonsense we are seeing in government is utterly appalling. We have legitimate ways of leaving, 2 of them as explained above and we have parts of government and opposition actively attempting to obstruct and scupper those options. Such politicians should be removed from office.
They are there to do a job and that is to preserve and follow the democratic processes of this country and serve the country and its people.
Nothing has changed. We have 2 options. Leave with an agreed deal, or just leave. Everything else is fraudulent obstruction which should be opposed with the full force of the law.
The EU are not desperate about No Deal.
They have not come running, simple Maths.
They take all our services, our biggest Export to the EU, not covered by WTO Rules.
They pay more WTO Tariffs on the rest, manufacturing and Agriculture.
They lose tariff free on 14% of their exports, we lose 40% of ours.
They are not moving, they can do the sums.
No Deal is a big win for them after the initial shock.
They take our services, and the Tax they produce.
They own vast amounts of our manufacturing, they take that back to the EU.
A No Deal means that we are not just leaving the EU in March, we are leaving every Free trade Deal we have as well.
Liam Fox has said they are not queuing up to replace them on like for like terms.
We will survive, the sky will not fall in, but life will be very different.
24-01-2019, 03:38 PM
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Re: And JRM has the gall to call himself a democrat
Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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The EU are not desperate about No Deal.
Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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They have not come running, simple Maths.
They have not come running because they have been in control of the leaving process and have obstructed it as far as they can. They have had May table a useless fake deal that does nothing more than pretend we will leave the EU but which actually leaves us in the EU indefinitely.
The maths has absolutely nothing to do with this. Bigger issues are at stake. Quite irrespective of trade deals, and £39bn payments and ongoing relationships, the fact of the whole matter is that IF the UK is permitted to leave the EU it disgraces the entire project. It says to the world that the EU has become so corrupt, so unworkable, so lost in its megalomaniacal powermongering that one of the top nations in the world has chosen to walk away. It would be unprecedented. The BrExit vote was an absolute disaster for the EU and hence it is doing all it can to preserve its position and authority.
If the UK leaves then it will herald the beginning of the collapse of the EU. Other countries are as sick as we are of their corrupt and petty dictats. Other Exits would follow swiftly.
The notion that the UK leaves and the EU carries on as before is fantasy. The EU will collapse, no question. It is already collapsing imho.
Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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No Deal is a big win for them after the initial shock.
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